Calif is on fire again~the new normal-what needs to be done to prevent this??

Nordberg said:
Very Trumpian of you. Do you know who owns the vast majority of the land on fire? Of course not. It is federal land and Trump should go out and rake the floor. The Federal govt. owns 57 p[recent of the forest land in Calif. I guess Trump better get out his trusty rake and clean off the floors.
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Wrong. It is the responsibility of the SOTC to maintain it's public lands, including BLM land.
 
Into the Night said:
No, not the new normal. Fires in the SOTC happen every year. They get to devastating size because they don't cut the brush down like they used to.
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And because trees are smaller than they used to be because there are so many of them most likely.....they burn where as the big trees survive fire. I am surprised to learn that the BioMass per acre is actually down 20% from the 1930's when the forests were remade by Roosevelt's Tree Army.

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1458
 
Nobody ever talks about how the forests being such a wreck dates back partly to decisions made almost 90 years ago, for instance "Plant as many as you can, a growing nation needs timber!".

It gets in the way of the global warming narrative.
 
Since there is almost no chance that the California forests will be properly managed they will for years to come be net releasers of CO2. We are going to have to wait till enough of them get burned that we dont have these massive fires most every year. Just another problem that has not been managed so we are going to have a cluster fuck for years to come. It is just another reason to leave California, to go someplace where the leaders do better.
 
Many of those trees that burn are dead and some are downed from winds and rot. They lie on the ground along with underbrush.
If proper forest conservation was followed, those trees would have been harvested for wood products. But the "tree hugger"
crowd thinks harvesting trees that would eventually die is destroying nature. If the government would allow harvesting these
trees in state and federally owned land before they become tinder, these forest fires would be easier to contain. Unfortunately,
the "tree huggers" don't think or understand land/forest management. Another issue is the very tall trees cut the light needed to
start/maintain new green growth on the forest floor, leaving a lot of dead, dry brush that becomes kindling for fires.
 
RB 60 said:
Many of those trees that burn are dead and some are downed from winds and rot. They lie on the ground along with underbrush.
If proper forest conservation was followed, those trees would have been harvested for wood products. But the "tree hugger"
crowd thinks harvesting trees that would eventually die is destroying nature. If the government would allow harvesting these
trees in state and federally owned land before they become tinder, these forest fires would be easier to contain. Unfortunately,
the "tree huggers" don't think or understand land/forest management. Another issue is the very tall trees cut the light needed to
start/maintain new green growth on the forest floor, leaving a lot of dead, dry brush that becomes kindling for fires.
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Please understand how much the trees being smaller because of crowding matters, they cant get big enough to not burn, and since so many are small the heat goes way up...burning more still.

This is 100% management failure.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Please understand how much the trees being smaller because of crowding matters, they cant get big enough to not burn, and since so many are small the heat goes way up...burning more still.

This is 100% management failure.
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I'm a hunter. I spent many hours in the woods and forests, both in managed private property and state game lands here in PA.
The managed lands had far fewer downed and dead/rotting tall trees and had an abundance of green underbrush that is essential
to wildlife habitat. Green growth burns far slower than dead/dried wood and brush.
 
RB 60 said:
I'm a hunter. I spent many hours in the woods and forests, both in managed private property and state game lands here in PA.
The managed lands had far fewer downed and dead/rotting tall trees and had an abundance of green underbrush that is essential
to wildlife habitat. Green growth burns far slower than dead/dried wood and brush.
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You should see the German forests!
 
RB 60 said:
Why is that?
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When I was there in the 90's they were like a dream they were so well managed. I used to often take off with my hound for hours at a time. Big healthy trees, wonderful paths well laid out and with maps, and the floor was a sea of green.

NOTE: These were forests like you would find in Tolkiens words.
 
Hello Bill,

Bill said:
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We have these in every direction-north, north-west, north-east, south-east, south & south-west & west.......

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Mind boggling:

How can anybody look at California today and still deny climate change?
 
You ever think, Maybe these wildfires in California are Nature's way of saying "You've reduced pollution and CO2 below levels I, Nature, want to maintain?"
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Bill,



Mind boggling:

How can anybody look at California today and still deny climate change?
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Reason and education make it very clear that there is a lot going on here, that there has been massive human mismanagement of the forests and the utilities.

Also, California has been suffering massive droughts for pretty much forever...they come and they go.
 
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