Calif is on fire again~the new normal-what needs to be done to prevent this??

"Historically Bad" I heard this fire season called.

I figure that several hundred thousand California citizens just decided that their long term futures do not include living in California.

These fuckers who run things have no idea what they are doing, and no plans to get better, their entire plan is to keep jabbering about global warming while they hope that the rubes buy the con.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He was talking about the Civilian Conservation Corps which in 9 years planted 3.5 billion trees, a lot of them in California, and later year planting efforts. They made a great effort to plant the right kinds of tress for the location but California forests were understood at the time to be for logging....once we decided that we did not want logging we were left with the wrong kind of trees there....that is the argument.

https://www.history.com/news/civilian-conservation-corps-projects
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I don't know what percent of the forest fires are a result of that or what, if any, difference that plays into it...

I have hiked in many of these places in Northern Calif & bay area.......

In the bay area it is really a mess of non-natives, specifically Eucalyptus which practically explode in a fire..

There are several areas "farmed" by companies commercially & IMHO they are better managed-less opportunity for massive fires..

Much of that planting (I have a friend that has recently retired from the Forestry dept & worked on it for almost 20 years) is done in areas where there was huge fires & much erosion-thus to try & prevent it......

I personally have not seen any of those areas burned, what I have seen is the native stands-high density & often drought stricken trees being lost....

Some species resist fire better than others.. & when they are overgrown, packed w/ bushes & saplings so close a man can't walk between there is going to be an explosion sooner or later..........
 
Bill said:
I don't know what percent of the forest fires are a result of that or what, if any, difference that plays into it...

I have hiked in many of these places in Northern Calif & bay area.......

In the bay area it is really a mess of non-natives, specifically Eucalyptus which practically explode in a fire..

There are several areas "farmed" by companies commercially & IMHO they are better managed-less opportunity for massive fires..

Much of that planting (I have a friend that has recently retired from the Forestry dept & worked on it for almost 20 years) is done in areas where there was huge fires & much erosion-thus to try & prevent it......

I personally have not seen any of those areas burned, what I have seen is the native stands-high density & often drought stricken trees being lost....

Some species resist fire better than others.. & when they are overgrown, packed w/ bushes & saplings so close a man can't walk between there is going to be an explosion sooner or later..........
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It is the building of indignities , it is the containing evaporation of the standards of civility that one must tolerate if one chooses to live in California now because it is so mismanaged.

Most people get to "ENOUGH!" at some point.
 
Bill said:
I don't know what percent of the forest fires are a result of that or what, if any, difference that plays into it...

I have hiked in many of these places in Northern Calif & bay area.......

In the bay area it is really a mess of non-natives, specifically Eucalyptus which practically explode in a fire..

There are several areas "farmed" by companies commercially & IMHO they are better managed-less opportunity for massive fires..

Much of that planting (I have a friend that has recently retired from the Forestry dept & worked on it for almost 20 years) is done in areas where there was huge fires & much erosion-thus to try & prevent it......

I personally have not seen any of those areas burned, what I have seen is the native stands-high density & often drought stricken trees being lost....

Some species resist fire better than others.. & when they are overgrown, packed w/ bushes & saplings so close a man can't walk between there is going to be an explosion sooner or later..........
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They are trying to go to OAK as they replant but Oaks have not been doing well for some time.....some kind of parasite or disease..or both I forget.

Maybe the plantings take and live, maybe not.
 
There are several native oaks in Calif depending on location & elevation..

Where I kayak they planted many of them, in a riparian habitat- mostly valley oak which are flood tolerant. Live oak is making a comeback in the area as well..

Many of the fires we have @ the moment are higher than oaks grow & are started by dry lighting......
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It is the building of indignities , it is the containing evaporation of the standards of civility that one must tolerate if one chooses to live in California now because it is so mismanaged.

Most people get to "ENOUGH!" at some point.
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Already happening. People are trying to get out of the SOTC. It's not easy.
 
Into the Night said:
Fake news. Trump never said any such thing.
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So lying is how you play the game. I thought after all the lies Trump got caught in you would be wise to not hitch your wagon to him. Apparently wisdom eludes you. Trump says stupid things and you lie about them. At least you are consistent. Fake post. Trump said it and as usual, you flatly deny it.
 
It happened that is how stupid he is. Shows how rightys lie toi o protect him. This is repetition as normal here.
 
Nordberg said:
So lying is how you play the game.
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Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
Nordberg said:
I thought after all the lies Trump got caught in
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Such as?
Nordberg said:
you would be wise to not hitch your wagon to him.
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I'll be glad to. Deal with it.
Nordberg said:
Apparently wisdom eludes you.
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You don't get to decide who is wise and who is not. You are not the king.
Nordberg said:
Trump says stupid things and you lie about them.
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He never said it. CNN did. It's fiction. It's fake news.
Nordberg said:
At least you are consistent. Fake post. Trump said it and as usual, you flatly deny it.
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Trump never said it. CNN did.
 
It is the nature of the region to have fires.
Over population makes it worse but noplace says no to development.
Cant blame bears for being bears.
Cant blame ecosystem for being that sort of ecosystem.
 
Celticguy said:
It is the nature of the region to have fires.
Over population makes it worse but noplace says no to development.
Cant blame bears for being bears.
Cant blame ecosystem for being that sort of ecosystem.
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You can blame humans for the forests being too dense so that too many the trees stay small and burn rather than survive fire driving up the heat thus killing ever larger trees as they burn too.....driving up the heat yet again.

This is at heart a management failure.
 
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