???These are native trees burning, not tree farms.
I hike in those & they are pretty well managed....
Calif is on fire again~the new normal-what needs to be done to prevent this??
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???These are native trees burning, not tree farms.
I hike in those & they are pretty well managed....
T. A. Gardner
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This is an example of how pedantic California's rules are...
Let's say I own a property somewhere in one of these fire prone areas.
I buy and have available a sprinkler system for my home and have cleared what brush etc., I can under state law.
I then need a fully reliable supply of water to run my sprinklers. The state's laws on rainwater harvesting are such that I can't put gutters on my house and install a say 2500 gallon cistern on my property to store that water. Can't do that. I by law have to let it run off or be used for immediate ground water recharge. So, I would have to buy the water and fill the cistern. But I likely can't install the cistern in any case. It like swimming pools are heavily restricted by building code.
But somehow I manage to get them to let me do one let's say... Now I have to install a reliable on-site power supply and pump system to supply the sprinklers. This too requires permits and inspections and will meet resistance unless I use something like bio-diesel fuel because of environmental laws.
Then there's the sprinklers and environmental laws where I have to have the correct kind of roof on my house to prevent roofing material from contaminating the ground or water supply...
That's how California is today. If you're a millionaire you can probably do this stuff. You're some working stiff that makes decent money you are screwed even if you can do all of this yourself. The state just wipes out your chances with bureaucracy and the cost of that bureaucracy.
Now, if I could install this system, the chances of my house burning down in a wildfire go down by roughly 90%. The state doesn't care. They only care I follow their one-size-fits-all rules and pay for all the permits and fees.
The reason I can't rely on a water supply system like one the city or state has to my house is because in wildfires my neighbors will likely be using it too and the fire department then starts using it so the supply pressure drops to nothing and I get no water for my sprinklers. Hence the need for an independent system with sufficient capacity to go 8 to 12 hours.
Let's say I own a property somewhere in one of these fire prone areas.
I buy and have available a sprinkler system for my home and have cleared what brush etc., I can under state law.
I then need a fully reliable supply of water to run my sprinklers. The state's laws on rainwater harvesting are such that I can't put gutters on my house and install a say 2500 gallon cistern on my property to store that water. Can't do that. I by law have to let it run off or be used for immediate ground water recharge. So, I would have to buy the water and fill the cistern. But I likely can't install the cistern in any case. It like swimming pools are heavily restricted by building code.
But somehow I manage to get them to let me do one let's say... Now I have to install a reliable on-site power supply and pump system to supply the sprinklers. This too requires permits and inspections and will meet resistance unless I use something like bio-diesel fuel because of environmental laws.
Then there's the sprinklers and environmental laws where I have to have the correct kind of roof on my house to prevent roofing material from contaminating the ground or water supply...
That's how California is today. If you're a millionaire you can probably do this stuff. You're some working stiff that makes decent money you are screwed even if you can do all of this yourself. The state just wipes out your chances with bureaucracy and the cost of that bureaucracy.
Now, if I could install this system, the chances of my house burning down in a wildfire go down by roughly 90%. The state doesn't care. They only care I follow their one-size-fits-all rules and pay for all the permits and fees.
The reason I can't rely on a water supply system like one the city or state has to my house is because in wildfires my neighbors will likely be using it too and the fire department then starts using it so the supply pressure drops to nothing and I get no water for my sprinklers. Hence the need for an independent system with sufficient capacity to go 8 to 12 hours.
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This is what happens when you let the LGBT Community hold their Coming Out parties in the State Parks.
This is an example of how pedantic California's rules are...
Let's say I own a property somewhere in one of these fire prone areas.
I buy and have available a sprinkler system for my home and have cleared what brush etc., I can under state law.
I then need a fully reliable supply of water to run my sprinklers. The state's laws on rainwater harvesting are such that I can't put gutters on my house and install a say 2500 gallon cistern on my property to store that water. Can't do that. I by law have to let it run off or be used for immediate ground water recharge. So, I would have to buy the water and fill the cistern. But I likely can't install the cistern in any case. It like swimming pools are heavily restricted by building code.
But somehow I manage to get them to let me do one let's say... Now I have to install a reliable on-site power supply and pump system to supply the sprinklers. This too requires permits and inspections and will meet resistance unless I use something like bio-diesel fuel because of environmental laws.
Then there's the sprinklers and environmental laws where I have to have the correct kind of roof on my house to prevent roofing material from contaminating the ground or water supply...
That's how California is today. If you're a millionaire you can probably do this stuff. You're some working stiff that makes decent money you are screwed even if you can do all of this yourself. The state just wipes out your chances with bureaucracy and the cost of that bureaucracy.
Now, if I could install this system, the chances of my house burning down in a wildfire go down by roughly 90%. The state doesn't care. They only care I follow their one-size-fits-all rules and pay for all the permits and fees.
The reason I can't rely on a water supply system like one the city or state has to my house is because in wildfires my neighbors will likely be using it too and the fire department then starts using it so the supply pressure drops to nothing and I get no water for my sprinklers. Hence the need for an independent system with sufficient capacity to go 8 to 12 hours.
You know most of the state barely gets 20 inches of rain??
The entire system of water regulation/rights in the west is convoluted & antiquated..
This is Santa Rosa, Calif..... A sprinkler wasn't going to help in this fire
T. A. Gardner
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You know most of the state barely gets 20 inches of rain??
The entire system of water regulation/rights in the west is convoluted & antiquated..
This is Santa Rosa, Calif..... A sprinkler wasn't going to help in this fire
A sprinkler system like the one I showed would save your house roughly 90% of the time.
http://www.onestopfire.com/sprinklers.htm
Look at the pictures in that link. Sprinklers work and they work great. They're worth the $2000 to $5000 to install a full system. With a cistern, generator, and pump on site like I mentioned, the cost is $7500 to $20000 depending on how much you contract out.
Horrible.You know most of the state barely gets 20 inches of rain??
The entire system of water regulation/rights in the west is convoluted & antiquated..
This is Santa Rosa, Calif..... A sprinkler wasn't going to help in this fire
Fires do not just set roofs on fire.
Did you even bother to read what the conditions were during that fire & several others we have had?? This aint Canada.....
Imagine that sprinkler in this wind.
Yep, very, very sad & so sudden.... I would have never thought it possible.
I see the winds & fires in south Calif but they lack much vegetation but here there are trees & add fire & 70-80 mph winds & just like that, it's gone..
I drove by their area 6 months or so after on my way to the coast & it look unreal..... It jumped the 8 lane highway & burned a modern shopping mall......
My house is stucco, tile roof, so I thought that can't happen here...........
After reading more on it I saw the wood beams protruding from the roof, some bushes next to the house etc......
T. A. Gardner
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Read up on roof sprinklers. They work and they work surprisingly well.
While the system in this video is more effective than most systems it gives you an idea just how effective sprinklers can be.
Yep, very, very sad & so sudden.... I would have never thought it possible.
I see the winds & fires in south Calif but they lack much vegetation but here there are trees & add fire & 70-80 mph winds & just like that, it's gone..
I drove by their area 6 months or so after on my way to the coast & it look unreal..... It jumped the 8 lane highway & burned a modern shopping mall......
My house is stucco, tile roof, so I thought that can't happen here...........
After reading more on it I saw the wood beams protruding from the roof, some bushes next to the house etc......
The West Coast just keeps getting scorched year after year. I was around Fresno in 2009 and thought it was crazy all the grass was so brown and sickly. On my second trip out west in 2018, we were in Ontario, Oregon and it got to 101 the day after we left.
That is the norm most of the year...... We get rain starting usually in late fall & into winter we get around 19-20 inches, most of that in about three-four months so brown aka "golden" in the color most of the time.......... It is green if you go up into the Sierra w/ trees etc.....
I would imagine 3-400 years ago most of these forests we have up there would have been burnt every few years & there wouldn't be a lot to burn..
Now there are many places w/ 50-100+ years of growth w/out natural fires to clear them out~recycle them..........
He was talking about the Civilian Conservation Corps which in 9 years planted 3.5 billion trees, a lot of them in California, and later year planting efforts. They made a great effort to plant the right kinds of tress for the location but California forests were understood at the time to be for logging....once we decided that we did not want logging we were left with the wrong kind of trees there....that is the argument.
https://www.history.com/news/civilian-conservation-corps-projects
TexanManWithPlans
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No. Global warming has.
Into the Night
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We have these in every direction-north, north-west, north-east, south-east, south & south-west & west.......
No, not the new normal. Fires in the SOTC happen every year. They get to devastating size because they don't cut the brush down like they used to.
Into the Night
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Cut away brush and vines. Don't let it get up into the canopy.
Into the Night
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How would a nuke stop a snowstorm, hurricane, or earthquake?