Can a President send anyone away to be tortured if he simply claims they are enemies of the State?

[Walt]

It also requires that “due process of law” be part of any proceeding that denies a citizen “life, liberty or property” and requires the government to compensate citizens when it takes private property for public use.

You are just wrong. There is no other way to say it. The word is "person", not "citizen." No where in the Fifth Amendment does it use the word citizen.

Here is the REAL Fifth Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

[Walt]

These people (and I use the term loosely) enter the country illegally

trump cancelled many of their visas, so when they entered the country, many had legal visas. trump has claimed cancelling their visas made them illegal aliens, but it simply does not work that way. It is not a crime to have your visa cancelled on you.

 

[Walt]

but local law enforcement is not allowed to cooperate federal agencies

Some local law enforcement is banned by local laws from cooperating with some federal agencies in some situations. But, for the most part local law enforcement is required to cooperate with federal agencies.

 

[Callinectes]

Why do you have to dehumanize them like this?

Because they have no respect for borders, laws or sovereignty. They're like the neighbor's dog coming into your yard to take a crap.

Stats actually show that undocumented immigrants are LESS likely to commit crimes than citizens.

Probably because there are less of them.

Do you have any stats for the "alarming percentage" you're referring to?

No, but acknowledging that, let's start with a low-ball estimate of illegals in the country. I've heard 12 million (I've heard it's MUCH more). Now there are 13 "sanctuary" states, and 220 "sanctuary" cities in the country. Let's say 1% of that 12 million are naughty AND illegal. That's 120,000 buttheads distributed among 220 cities, and that gives you 545.46 Extra criminals per city. Now obviously some of those cities are going to have more or less, but do you really want an extra 200 or 300 criminals running around your city?

 

[BartenderElite]

Because they have no respect for borders, laws or sovereignty. They're like the neighbor's dog coming into your yard to take a crap.



Probably because there are less of them.



No, but acknowledging that, let's start with a low-ball estimate of illegals in the country. I've heard 12 million (I've heard it's MUCH more). Now there are 13 "sanctuary" states, and 220 "sanctuary" cities in the country. Let's say 1% of that 12 million are naughty AND illegal. That's 120,000 buttheads distributed among 220 cities, and that gives you 545.46 Extra criminals per city. Now obviously some of those cities are going to have more or less, but do you really want an extra 200 or 300 criminals running around your city?

No - not because there are "less of them." We're talking percentages.

And of course you don't have stats.

The people who have "no respect for our borders" are generally desperate, and coming from situations most of us can't comprehend. Many of our ancestors were the same way coming to America. I have a feeling if I was in one of the countries they are coming from, I'd want to get my family out as quickly as possible also.

They're human beings. MANY are hard-working members of our communities, and contribute to our economy.

 

[Callinectes]

trump cancelled many of their visas, so when they entered the country, many had legal visas. trump has claimed cancelling their visas made them illegal aliens, but it simply does not work that way. It is not a crime to have your visa cancelled on you.

What kind of visa do you get when you cross the border illegally? And are you saying that if you apply for and obtain a legal visa and you commit a qualifying crime, you can't have that visa revoked? And I'm no legal beagle like jarod, but if you have your visa cancelled, aren't you subject to deportation?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Congressman John A. Bingham of Ohio wrote section 1 of the 14th to extend the original intent of the Bill of Rights to the States, often citing the appalling treatment of slaves by States not then burdened by the Bill of Right requirements.

So in essence the Due Process clause, that now applies to the Federal Government as well codifies in the Constitution the then understanding of who had a right to Due Process, which is ALL PEOPLE.

So, when the President says a person is an enemy combatant or in the United States illegally, that person has a right to Due Process, which is a hearing by a Judge to determine if the allegations of the Executive Branch are true, or at least have a rational basis.

The Felon violated this right when he sent people he claimed are here illegally to be tortured in an El Salvadoran prison.

Otherwise one man would be allowed to send anyone to be tortured in El Salvador by simply claiming they fit a category. Is that a power Americans want to give the President on his own accord without a check or balance?

I am certain the answer from any rational American would be a resounding NO.

I recall our resident right wing wonks parroting the party line that ANY executive order Obama signed off on was a breach of the Constitution and he should be censured for such.

Funny how things change, isn't it?

 

[LurchAddams]

Congressman John A. Bingham of Ohio wrote section 1 of the 14th to extend the original intent of the Bill of Rights to the States, often citing the appalling treatment of slaves by States not then burdened by the Bill of Right requirements.

So in essence the Due Process clause, that now applies to the Federal Government as well codifies in the Constitution the then understanding of who had a right to Due Process, which is ALL PEOPLE.

So, when the President says a person is an enemy combatant or in the United States illegally, that person has a right to Due Process, which is a hearing by a Judge to determine if the allegations of the Executive Branch are true, or at least have a rational basis.

The Felon violated this right when he sent people he claimed are here illegally to be tortured in an El Salvadoran prison.

Otherwise one man would be allowed to send anyone to be tortured in El Salvador by simply claiming they fit a category. Is that a power Americans want to give the President on his own accord without a check or balance?

I am certain the answer from any rational American would be a resounding NO.

It's all about the cruelty. Our constitution only matters to the trumptards when their freedom to say, "nigger" is violated.

 

[LurchAddams]

Obama believed he could do it and nobody on the left bitched, so what's the problem?

Obama disapeared people to a Salvadorian torture prison for protesting? You're so fucking clueless!

 

[Taichiliberal]

These are not American citizens and they have been convicted of heinous crimes.

The expedited deportations are legal and will be affirmed by the Supreme Court.

The due process is not an issue as the Alien Enemies Act was challenged and the challenge failed in 1948…no due process issues.



[td]
Alien Enemies Act of 1798

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this law gave the president additional powers to detain non-citizens during times of war, invasion, or predatory incursion.[1]

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this law, amended in 1918, struck out provision restricting this section to males[2], is still in effect as 50 U.S.C. ch. 3.

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Newsflash, you dimwit: WE ARE NOT AT WAR. ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR. A PRESIDENT CAN ENACT TROOPS BUT MUST JUSTIFY SUCH WITHIN 48 HOURS, OTHERWISE CONGRESS CAN INSTRUCT THE MILITARY TO CEASE OPERATIONS AND RECALL SAID TROOPS.

There are already reports of VALID, LEGALLY DOCUMENTED residents in America who HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIME that are being absconded from their homes and off the streets, then whisked away to temporarily unknown locations WITHOUT BEING CHARGED OR WITHOUT DUE PROCESS OF LAW.

The Patriot Act along with DHS effectively turns the USA into Cold War East Berlin, as we are now seeing the beginnings of. I guess you're cool with that.

 

[LurchAddams]

These are not American citizens and they have been convicted of heinous crimes.

The expedited deportations are legal and will be affirmed by the Supreme Court.

The due process is not an issue as the Alien Enemies Act was challenged and the challenge failed in 1948…no due process issues.



[td]
Alien Enemies Act of 1798

[/td][td]
this law gave the president additional powers to detain non-citizens during times of war, invasion, or predatory incursion.[1]

[/td][td]
this law, amended in 1918, struck out provision restricting this section to males[2], is still in effect as 50 U.S.C. ch. 3.

[/td]

You're such a fool. The student who had her visa revoked for protesting the war in Gaza deserves to be jailed like a terrorist? I swear - how you fuckers can accuse others of being "word police" while using the Alien's Enemies Act to disappear protestors or someone with a suspicious tattoo?

The pathetic thing about you is that you don't realize what an ignorant hypocrite scumbag you are.

 

[Walt]

What kind of visa do you get when you cross the border illegally?

It appears that most of them did not cross the border illegally. We do not have all the facts, so maybe none of them crossed the border illegally.

And are you saying that if you apply for and obtain a legal visa and you commit a qualifying crime, you can't have that visa revoked?

If that were true, why is trump trying to hide it? Wouldn't he be proud of the evidence?

It appears to be more complex than that. These are people that trump could not deport through normal channels.

if you have your visa cancelled, aren't you subject to deportation?

There is a question whether trump has the right to arbitrarily cancel visas like he claims.

 

[Nordberg]

Because they have no respect for borders, laws or sovereignty. They're like the neighbor's dog coming into your yard to take a crap.



Probably because there are less of them.



No, but acknowledging that, let's start with a low-ball estimate of illegals in the country. I've heard 12 million (I've heard it's MUCH more). Now there are 13 "sanctuary" states, and 220 "sanctuary" cities in the country. Let's say 1% of that 12 million are naughty AND illegal. That's 120,000 buttheads distributed among 220 cities, and that gives you 545.46 Extra criminals per city. Now obviously some of those cities are going to have more or less, but do you really want an extra 200 or 300 criminals running around your city?

Immigrants come here for opportunities to better their lives. They are not throwing it away to vote or commit crimes. They commit fewer crimes per capita than resident Americans. Immigrants are those who expand the economy. We need them, the work they do, and the taxes they pay.
Rightys say there are many,many more illegals than there are to buttress their narratives. See how many there are? Your imaginary counts are not better than the official counts .

 

[Uncensored2008]

You want immunities to commit crimes?

So you say that there is no such thing as an "American Citizen" then?

It's part of the plot by you party to erase America.

 

[Earl]

Stop trying to teach, you suck at it.

He gets steam rolled almost every day and comes back for more.

A masochist?

Indeed.

 

[Earl]

Criminal aliens are not slaves by States dumbass.



Wrong. The only due process a criminal alien gets is deportation.



Wrong. When the President states the obvious, that they are criminal aliens in the country ILLEGALLY, they get deported without process.



Wrong again you uneducated brainless dunce; he protected American citizens being victimized by criminal aliens Democrats seem desperate to let in and protect.

This won't play well in the midterms.



Another fascinatingly stupid lie from an incredibly dishonest and stupid person.



What we are certain of is lying leftist morons like you are in the minority but like to pretend they are the majority by defending the indefensible.

There's a reason opinion polls of Democrats are at an all-time historical low.

Indeed, TD...indeed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Immigrants come here for opportunities to better their lives. They are not throwing it away to vote or commit crimes. They commit fewer crimes per capita than resident Americans. Immigrants are those who expand the economy. We need them, the work they do, and the taxes they pay.
Rightys say there are many,many more illegals than there are to buttress their narratives. See how many there are? Your imaginary counts are not better than the official counts .

All long debunked lies.

The 14th Amendment, which the Hive has programmed you drones to misrepresent, states; (No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

What does your hive say are the "privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"?

What difference is there, according the the democrat party, between a citizen and a non-citizen? @Jarod ran and hid from this question. Is that because the hive doesn't recognize that there is any such thing as a citizen? Do you reject the concept of "citizen" because you don't recognize that America is a sovereign nation at all? Isn't a fact that you deny America because the Globalist / International Communist doctrine you follow claims all are "citizens of the world" and that no nation can actually exist?

 

[Jarod]

The law was written before Amendment 14... That doesn't change that it is constitutional to allow "due process", however it does bring into question how much rights an invading force has in the United States. If a German soldier in WWII invaded, and we put him in Georgetown with my Great Uncle Georg for being German and invading, how much due process would he be afforded?

In a real war, with an army invading, we would take POW’s, if possible without being shot at, until we could sort it out. That doesn’t mean it would be the Constitutional thing to do.

A law written before it became unconstitutional, is still unconstitutional.

 

[Jarod]

All long debunked lies.

The 14th Amendment, which the Hive has programmed you drones to misrepresent, states; (No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

What does your hive say are the "privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"?

What difference is there, according the the democrat party, between a citizen and a non-citizen? @Jarod ran and hid from this question. Is that because the hive doesn't recognize that there is any such thing as a citizen? Do you reject the concept of "citizen" because you don't recognize that America is a sovereign nation at all? Isn't a fact that you deny America because the Globalist / International Communist doctrine you follow claims all are "citizens of the world" and that no nation can actually exist?

There are many privileges and immunities for United States citizens. We have the right to free speech, own firearms, not suffer, cruel and unusual punishment at the hands of our government, the right to be free from unreasonable, search and seizure from our government, many other rights privileges and immunities.

It does not invalidate other clauses of the 14th amendment, which provides the right of Due Process to “all people”.

 

[Uncensored2008]

There are many privileges and immunities for United States citizens. We have the right to free speech, own firearms, not suffer, cruel and unusual punishment at the hands of our government, the right to be free from unreasonable, search and seizure from our government, many other rights privileges and immunities.

You claim all of those apply equally to illegal aliens. Hence these are not privileges and immunities of CITIZENS.

It does not invalidate other clauses of the 14th amendment, which provides the right of Due Process to “all people”.

The law holds that those here illegally shall be deported to their country of origin.

So we have established that you deny the actuality of U.S. Citizenship.