Can the country be unified?

ThatOwlWoman said:
May I? I like you both, and I'm really glad you're back, but you are wrong on this one. Both (D)s and (R)s have gerrymandered. That being said, it is far worse now due to the influence of ALEC. Their stated goal was to gain (R) majorities at the state and local level expressly to enable them to gerrymander and put more (R)s in Congress. So in the last 20 years, they've done a bang-up job of it. And *that* being said, here is one district in Maryland that the (D)s gerrymandered. It was the subject of a recent SCOTUS decision.

"The 6th District shared center stage in the Supreme Court decision that federal courts have no role in settling claims of partisan gerrymandering. Democrats conceded their explicit goal was to move enough voters around to dilute GOP voting power and defeat the incumbent Republican congressman. As the definition of gerrymandering is to draw lines to give the people in power strategic advantage, and the Democrats admitted doing so, this is clearly one of the country's most gerrymandered districts."

Source, which contains other examples: https://thefulcrum.us/worst-gerrymandering-districts-example/6-suburban-houston
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Here is owlwomans respectful post
 
evince said:
That is the Republicans fault

Working with a Democratic Party member is a death sentence for the republicans

Rino land
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Disagreed to put 100% of the blame on Republicans just like it's wrong to put 100% of the blame on the "Democratics". <-- ;)
 
Thank you



Now I can make my point


It’s not a Democratic Party tactic to gerrymander

This was done by that states Democratic Party not the National Democratic Party


The Republican Party does this as a National tactic

These party members who did this gerrymandering are not supported in this tactic

The National Republican Party defends this evil in their party


So why does he hate the Democratic Party ?[/QUOTE]




This was my answer




Oh and btw

Those Party members admitted to the courts and everyone that it was done to harm the Republican voters



It was done as a test case to get the SCOTUS to take up a gerrymandering case so they could end gerrymandering
 
evince said:
Quit fucking talking sex when it comes to female posters you fucking ass breath

And then you wonder why I think you are a phony left poster
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Why? Obviously you don't want to read my Viking joke.


EDIT: I'm not a LWer. That's common knowledge.
 
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Eagle_Eye said:
The problem with congress is it has become so polarized like the rest of the country the few R's and D's willing to deal are either shouted down or the party leaders shut them up. That is one reason I support term limits.
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I agree. Senators get two terms to figure it out, Representatives get three. That's more than enough.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Unfortunately the Internet and other forms of mass communication make the rise of a Hitleresque would-be king like #LOSER45 a lot easier to accomplish. It's puzzling to me. You would think that easy availability of fact-checking sources would make it LESS likely for a demagogue to brainwash the masses. But if you can first convince them that everything other than what drips from his slobbery lips is "fake news," you're already half-way there.
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So true. We have more easily accessible, high quality information than any human has ever had before. Yet the population is probably more uniformed than it has been in centuries.
 
Diesel said:
So true. We have more easily accessible, high quality information than any human has ever had before. Yet the population is probably more uniformed than it has been in centuries.
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Why? Because they put people they dislike on IGNORE?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Unfortunately the Internet and other forms of mass communication make the rise of a Hitleresque would-be king like #LOSER45 a lot easier to accomplish. It's puzzling to me. You would think that easy availability of fact-checking sources would make it LESS likely for a demagogue to brainwash the masses. But if you can first convince them that everything other than what drips from his slobbery lips is "fake news," you're already half-way there.
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both of you hate filled radical ideology fucksticks are too easily led astray by propaganda.........y'all should surrender any electronic device you have and go live in a cave
 
evince said:
That is about the duel functioning of the human eye and mind

Not about truth fool
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Human truth is a perception. Ask Galileo when he disagreed about "the truth" with the Catholic hierarchy.

There is absolute truth such as 2 + 2 = 4, but human truth different. Example "Is it better to be poor and free or cared for like a pet cat but neutered and confined to a padded room?
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Why do some people (idiots) paint all liberals or conservatives with the same brush by citing the views and actions of the ultra left or right?
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In my opinion, the most likely answer to that question has two parts. First, the two party system causes some people (idiots) to view political decisions as binary. It's right or wrong, us or them. Second, some people (idiots) have been trained by the political parties and the media to not simply disagree with "them" but also to hate "them". The easiest way to do that is to paint all liberals as Genghis Khan and all conservatives as Adolf Hitler.
 
Diesel said:
In my opinion, the most likely answer to that question has two parts. First, the two party system causes some people (idiots) to view political decisions as binary. It's right or wrong, us or them. Second, some people (idiots) have been trained by the political parties and the media to not simply disagree with "them" but also to hate "them". The easiest way to do that is to paint all liberals as Genghis Khan and all conservatives as Adolf Hitler.
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Very good point.
 
Micawber said:
I believe we agree on many things, I just no longer have the wellspring of mirth to be "delicate" with my language any longer.
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I think that we do agree on many things. And you might have seen that my language is often very far from delicate. I give what I get. The poster I was talking to when you responded disagreed with me, but he wasn't a dick, so I wasn't one either. I didn't mind using some "delicate" language with him because it's easy to perceive offense in written form from strangers when none was intended. I created a JPP account to exchange ideas with people who are not like me. I just don't suffer assholes, morons, and trolls who misuse the forum.
 
evince said:
I don’t lie to pad the Democratic Party or m
Try it sometime
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Where did I say you were lying? Do you think a person who truly believes they are speaking the truth but is clearly insane or severely mistaken is a "Liar"?


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Diesel said:
I know a little about Colorado's residential real estate market, but I work in commercial real estate in CO, NY, and overseas. Boulder/Denver intentionally positioned itself as the "affordable alternative" for the technology industry. We have been flooded with SF/NYC tech types who think CO is super cheap (comparatively, it is) and have bloated the market to the extent that it's pushing natives out of the state. It's been really interesting to watch as the state turns more liberal, more urban, and more expensive.
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Years ago I worked on the purchase of an office building on 17th St. Downtown looked like it had a lot going on at the time and I'd imagine it's only continuing to grow. As great as the Bay Area, and it's amazing, is it's not the end all be all and it's understandable why tech firms are looking at places like Denver, Salt Lake City, Austin, Dallas, Nashville etc.

And as far as pricing out locals your commented reminded me of the anti-California stickers that would pop up on for sale signs in Portland as Cali transplants have bumped up prices there as well. I believe Boise is experience something similar as is Las Vegas to a degree (only being partially tounge-in-cheek saying half of So Cal now lives in Vegas).
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Eagle_Eye said:
The problem with congress is it has become so polarized like the rest of the country the few R's and D's willing to deal are either shouted down or the party leaders shut them up. That is one reason I support term limits.
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I agree. Senators get two terms to figure it out, Representatives get three. That's more than enough.
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Agreed. Now all we've got to do is convince 34 states to generate an Amendment and 38 states to ratify it.
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
How do you find a compromise with people who believe total lies absolutely though?
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I don't think you can; and that's one of our biggest problems. If we can't stipulate basic facts like the definition of words, then there is no meeting place. The Republican party has been overwhelmed by brain dead robots who believe in literal conspiracy theories and flatly refuse to agree on what things happened and what things didn't. There's no way for rational people to work with people like that.
 
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