Challenging Hume to a Debate #2 - Physics of the Global Warming Faith : Is Greenhouse Effect Even Possible?

[Into the Night]

The 0th law of thermodynamics always applies all the time, everywhere. Into the Night has a hole in his head that can never be filled with anything but nonsense

Mantra 1a. Repetition fallacy. Lame.

 

[Into the Night]

The fact that the gases in the atmosphere impact temperature on Earth doesn't make them magic, nor is it a claim that they are magic. The fact that you suddenly deny reality, when it goes against what you want to believe, has nothing to do with me.

You are a phony.....a charlatan...a liar.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth, Void. You cannot make energy out of nothing.
Buzzword fallacies (reality, deny).
Inversion fallacy. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR RELIGION ON ME OR ANYBODY ELSE!

 

[ZenMode]

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth, Void. You cannot make energy out of nothing.
Buzzword fallacies (reality, deny).
Inversion fallacy. DON'T TRY TO BLAME YOUR RELIGION ON ME OR ANYBODY ELSE!

The more that you continue to deny and avoid the realities of the Earth's atmosphere, the more you expose yourself as the liar you are. You put up this facade of being all about science, yet you run for the hills when asked very simple scientific questions.

 

[Into the Night]

The more that you continue to deny and avoid the realities of the Earth's atmosphere, the more you expose yourself as the liar you are. You put up this facade of being all about science, yet you run for the hills when asked very simple scientific questions.

I am not denying Earth's atmosphere, Void. You are denying science.

 

[ZenMode]

I am not denying Earth's atmosphere, Void. You are denying science.

Still playing dumb...... because we both know that we are not discussing the EXISTENCE of the Earth's atmosphere.

Is there ever a time when you aren't blatantly dishonest?

 

[Walt]

Now, can you explain how CO2 is believed to do that?

CO2 is a better thermal insulator, but still allows the light through. These are well known physical traits. You could argue that the bigger system somehow counteracts it, but the basic science is beyond doubt.

 

[Walt]

Nonetheless, you believe in Global Warming based on greenhouse effect. This is another position of yours that you cannot defend, despite your mastery of debate.

The greenhouse effect has been known of in one way or another for about 2,000 years. Light energy can enter a system, convert into heat, and be trapped. It is a proven fact.

 

[Walt]

Global Warming doctrine holds that greenhouse effect increases Earth's average global equilibrium temperature through miraculous, physics-defying forcings that create energy out of nothing in violation of the 1st LoT, that have a cooler atmosphere increasing the temperature of a warmer lithosphere and hydrosphere in violation of the 2nd LoT, and that have temperature and radiance moving in opposite directions in violation of Stefan-Boltzmann.

We know greenhouses exist, and work. If they violate some sort of law, then that law is wrong. The fact is they do not violate any laws, but if a law is easily disproven, then it is wrong.

 

[Walt]

He plays one on TV... ?

Walter White does not play a chemist on TV. Bryan Cranston plays a chemist named Walter White.

 

[Walt]

Impacts but doesn't control

Can something that has no intelligence control something else? Chlorine gas will cause you to die, but it will not control whether you live or die. It makes no decisions.

 

[Walt]

In this thread, however, please extend to all the courtesy of admitting that you were EVADING the thread topic which is the claim of "atmospheric gases simply increasing the earth's average global equilibrium temperature simply by existing" ... as clearly stated in the OP. It's a basic question about something known to science to be physically impossible. Why is it that you are unable to acknowledge this simple truth?

The Moon is the same distance from the Sun as the Earth, and yet without an atmosphere is much colder. Therefore gasses in an atmosphere can insulate a planet, and make it warmer.

Or made even more simpler, my car was hot, because of the greenhouse effect. Light energy was able to enter the car through the windows, but the heat energy was unable to leave, because of the same windows.

You come along claiming insulation is not possible, but I have experienced it so often, I dismiss your argument. Basically put, if a simple experiment proves something possible, it is possible.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Walter White does not play a chemist on TV. Bryan Cranston plays a chemist named Walter White.

I was wondering if Into the Night played one on TV. We can't seem to pin down what sort of "chemist" he is.

 

[Walt]

So, again, where is the ADDITIONAL thermal energy coming from that is required in order to increase Earth's average global equilibrium temperature?

No additional thermal energy would be required. The same thermal energy would just have to be insulated better.

Let's return to the car. The car with the windows shut heats up, not because there is more thermal energy than the car with the windows open. The difference is insulation. The closed windows holds the same heat better, thereby heating up the car.

I am actually more concerned that you think you can outsmart millions of intelligent people with a simple argument that you think they all missed. We all make logical mistakes from time to time, but this is a level of bizarre, and completely unearned narcissism.

 

[Walt]

I was wondering if Into the Night played one on TV. We can't seem to pin down what sort of "chemist" he is.

Somehow I doubt he is any kind of chemist. He denies insulation can exist.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Somehow I doubt he is any kind of chemist. He denies insulation can exist.

And has no clue what the laws of thermodynamics are about...

 

[Walt]

And has no clue what the laws of thermodynamics are about...

We have all seen the experiment that falsifies your theory. We have all gotten into a hot car, and realized the greenhouse effect is real.

 

[Kafka]

Chemistry is not a class.

You don't even know what pchem is.

LOL.

I mean, seriously dude, I knew you were full of shit the minute you started blathering on about entropy but you NEVER ONCE used the standard symbol for it. It's one of the 26 letters of the alphabet and it's NOT the one you usually go for.

If you ARE a chemist, you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about right now.

You have a bunch of "tells" which give away your game. (In case you THOUGHT you were fooling someone)

 

[Kafka]

Not that kind of chemist either. Mantra 1a. Lame.

That's more your speed, though. These kids might be able to teach you some chemistry.

 

[IBDaMann]

The greenhouse effect has been known

It has never been known because it is not true.

Light energy can enter a system, convert into heat, and be trapped.

Incorrect. This is highly concetrated scientific illiteracy right here. You really need to learn what heat is, but let's unpack:

For the same reason that acreage cannot be converted to fill dirt, energy cannot be converted to heat because they aren't the same quantity kind and have different units of measure.

Heat is not anything that can somehow be contained/captured/trapped/ensnared/held/retained/enclosed/entombed.

Rational adults are expected to call boooooolsch't when they hear crap like what you just posted, not simply regurgitate it.

It is a proven fact.

We have yet another leftist who doesn't know what a fact is.

Ergo, you don't know what heat is, or what a fact is. I bet you don't know what science is either.

 

[IBDaMann]

We know greenhouses exist, and work.

... and we know that greenhouse effect is a religious doctrine that has nothing to do with actual greenhouses.

If they violate some sort of law, then that law is wrong.

Greenhouses work and do not violate any laws of nature. Greenhouse effect, however, is a WACKY religious doctrine that is based on physics violations. Refer to my signature.