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[Damocles]

I don't "hide behind" it. You made it personal when you used my name, it is impossible to not take it personal when you specifically name me in your post. To do otherwise would be, in fact, very odd. Considering that one fact, the constant repetition of how I shouldn't take it personally is a bit silly.

You can get all angry about how it is "personal" for me, but it will always be personal when you begin by actually stating my name.

As for the "not a single thing" they have been right about. I gave you examples, but you are so ideologically bound that you cannot, as I have pointed out before, see the forest for the trees.

As for the look in the mirror. Again you simply do not read the post where I spoke on this. Introspection is something that I constantly do, it is part of my religious beliefs.

We can't continue to speak on this until you will actually honestly read the posts before you and accept that something is different than what you expect. You can perform a bit of that introspection yourself.

Somebody who has lived in the shadow of racial stereotypes shouldn't dwell in them for ideology and pretend that they suddenly become valid in that context. They do not.

 

[blackascoal]

I don't "hide behind" it. You made it personal when you used my name, it is impossible to not take it personal when you specifically name me in your post. To do otherwise would be, in fact, very odd. Considering that one fact, the constant repetition of how I shouldn't take it personally is a bit silly.

You can get all angry about how it is "personal" for me, but it will always be personal when you begin by actually stating my name.

As for the "not a single thing" they have been right about. I gave you examples, but you are so ideologically bound that you cannot, as I have pointed out before, see the forest for the trees.

It's a beautiful morning in Atlanta my brother and "anger" is not what I'm expressing, opinion is.

I didn't think it would be too difficult for you to address leaning or being on the right without you taking it personal, even though I used your name.

In future I'll remain aware that it does indeed appear difficult for you.

My comment:
If I appear exceptionally hard in my opinion of leaning or being to the right it's because I think they deserve it. I can't think of a single fucking thing they've been right about. Can you?

Your response:
It is a point of view. Not of fact. What have I been wrong about? I stated before the war that the "WMD" they sought to "protect" us from wasn't all that awesome. Some of the "worst" was Sarin. While its effects can be nasty, it isn't very "mass" destructive. Was I wrong?

Let's see what else.... Hmmm... Ron Paul thought the war would be a quagmire and a mess and sought to protect us from our own folly using protections actually written into the Constitution, such as a formal declaration of war. It seems he was right too.

Facts can be spoken by both sides of an issue. Attempting to dismiss me, or any other who "leans right" because others followed Bush into his folly is a mistake. Yes, I agree too many of the "right" followed Bush because he was elected President and was of their Party. I do not like such blind following, and have never been much of a strong participant in it. I may "lean right" but I realize that people can make some terrible mistakes even if they are in the same party as myself. The fact is that Bush is so far from me politically it is very difficult, and has always been, to believe that he fits in the same party as I do. But he does. I have to admit it.

Tell me .. where are the trees?

What "examples" do you find in your response about where the right has been correct? Neither you or Ron Paul are "the right" .. who conveinently floats between being on the right and being libertarian. Bush and his administration, right-wing talk radio pundits and media, the Heritage Foundation and like "think"-tanks, and those who've supported them are the right.

My question was not rocket science .. didn't require peer review . and you didn't provide any trees.

 

[Damocles]

No, we are the "leaning right" that you put in when you directly used my name. Then later attempted to say that I shouldn't take it personal.

Anyway, you are now backpedaling again. "You may have been right, but you are not 'the right'..."

I am however, by use of my actual name, of the group you were talking about. You were wrong about me, you cannot admit it, and you don't follow your own advice and use a bit of introspection.

 

[blackascoal]

Damo,

As for the look in the mirror. Again you simply do not read the post where I spoke on this. Introspection is something that I constantly do, it is part of my religious beliefs.

I'm having great difficulty with this because if this is true, why get upset with me for speaking THE TRUTH about our history and our failed foreign policy?

Introspective is not supposed to be comfortable.

 

[blackascoal]

No, we are the "leaning right" that you put in when you directly used my name. Then later attempted to say that I shouldn't take it personal.

Anyway, you are now backpedaling again. "You may have been right, but you are not 'the right'..."

I am however, by use of my actual name, of the group you were talking about. You were wrong about me, you cannot admit it, and you don't follow your own advice and use a bit of introspection.

None of that makes any sense. You are simply hiding.

 

[Damocles]

Damo,



I'm having great difficulty with this because if this is true, why get upset with me for speaking THE TRUTH about our history and our failed foreign policy?

Introspective is not supposed to be comfortable.

Point out exactly where I did that.

 

[Damocles]

None of that makes any sense. You are simply hiding.

LOL. The "I know you are but what am I defense?" This is the best you have?

 

[Damocles]

Damo,



I'm having great difficulty with this because if this is true, why get upset with me for speaking THE TRUTH about our history and our failed foreign policy?

Introspective is not supposed to be comfortable.

And yes, introspection isn't supposed to be comfortable. While you advocate it for others you seem incapable of the action in yourself.

 

[blackascoal]

Point out exactly where I did that.

If you are such a big fan of introspective, why do you have problems with it?

It would be different if what I posted was lies and concoctions, but they are not .. it is the truth .. but you seem to believe that truth should be measured.

Is that what you call intorspective?

 

[Damocles]

If you are such a big fan of introspective, why do you have problems with it?

It would be different if what I posted was lies and concoctions, but they are not .. it is the truth .. but you seem to believe that truth should be measured.

Is that what you call intorspective?

I don't. If I in fact "got upset" with you for pointing out problems, give me an example.

If you are such a fan of introspection why do you seem to have a problem with it?

You continue to suggest I have done something that I didn't do, then when asked to provide any evidence that I did it you produce this crap?

 

[Damocles]

This is sad. BAC, you believe that "introspection" involves seeing others problems, but not seeing your own.

 

[blackascoal]

And yes, introspection isn't supposed to be comfortable. While you advocate it for others you seem incapable of the action in yourself.

What the hell are you talking about?

I talk about what's wrong with my side of the political fence all the time and I NEVER run from history, nor do I believe it's in bad taste to talk about the negative aspects of who we are.

Obviously we also don't agree on what introspective is.

That's silly

 

[blackascoal]

This is sad. BAC, you believe that "introspection" involves seeing others problems, but not seeing your own.

Again, stupid .. and not supported by my posts here.

 

[Damocles]

What the hell are you talking about?

I talk about what's wrong with my side of the political fence all the time and I NEVER run from history, nor do I believe it's in bad taste to talk about the negative aspects of who we are.

Obviously we also don't agree on what introspective is.

That's silly

And I spoke about what is wrong with my side of the fence in this very thread. Of course pointing out problems with a party isn't introspection.

 

[Damocles]

Again, stupid .. and not supported by my posts here.

Yes it is.

You first use my name as an example of "leaning-right", then when I point out the mistakes in using such an example you attempted to obfuscate. You suggested that I shouldn't "take it personally", which is ridiculous, you used my name. Actual introspection involves looking at yourself.

 

[Damocles]

Anyway, throughout this thread I have solely given you my personal beliefs because it began with a suggestion that I was an example of what you believe is "leaning-right" ideology. I have shown you how I look at problems and seek solutions. I have shown how often you and I agree on the problem, just not on the solution.

I haven't gotten "upset" at you, sometimes a bit frustrated, but not "upset". I asked some questions when you gave some examples. I then suggested that we simply look at things differently. That isn't even ideology based. There are those on the left that look at solutions the same way that I do.

Bill Clinton would be one example.

One of my favorite quotes of his is (paraphrasing because I am working on memory here and don't want to google the quote at this very second), "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America."

I like that perspective. It is how I look at problems myself. When seeking a solution first find what is right and build from that foundation.

 

[blackascoal]

You aren't interested in discussing political perspectives, just keep whining about you.

Surely by this stage in the conversation you should have been able to discuss ideology as I have been imploring you to do .. but like most on the right, there isn't much to stand on, thus your inability to demonstrate where THE RIGHT has been correct about much of anything.

I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to engage in this again because I will continue to point out FACTUAL HISTORY that you don't want to hear or think is inappropriate .. simply because you don't want to hear it.

 

[Damocles]

You aren't interested in discussing political perspectives, just keep whining about you.

Surely by this stage in the conversation you should have been able to discuss ideology as I have been imploring you to do .. but like most on the right, there isn't much to stand on, thus your inability to demonstrate where THE RIGHT has been correct about much of anything.

I'm sure we'll have the opportunity to engage in this again because I will continue to point out FACTUAL HISTORY that you don't want to hear or think is inappropriate .. simply because you don't want to hear it.

Because you made it about me. When you used my name and suggested that I was an example of what you were talking about.

I am sorry that I like to correct misconceptions about what I personally think when you personally name me. But I will bet that if I started suggesting opinions for you that were simply incorrect you would do the same.

I haven't yet gotten "upset" with you for pointing out problems. I simply asked some questions then gave a different view. Then pointed out that while I can see that same problem that I would begin by seeking first what is right and building on that foundation when seeking a solution.

While doing that I even brought up places where "the right" as a group were wrong and had gone off track. I pointed out how it often didn't even fit in with "the right's" usual view of things and how I wished they had stuck more to that.

Of course I used them to contrast to how I believe, but that was because you used me, yes by name, as an example of what you were saying "the right" believes.

 

[blackascoal]

Anyway, throughout this thread I have solely given you my personal beliefs because it began with a suggestion that I was an example of what you believe is "leaning-right" ideology. I have shown you how I look at problems and seek solutions. I have shown how often you and I agree on the problem, just not on the solution.

I haven't gotten "upset" at you, sometimes a bit frustrated, but not "upset". I asked some questions when you gave some examples. I then suggested that we simply look at things differently. That isn't even ideology based. There are those on the left that look at solutions the same way that I do.

Bill Clinton would be one example.

One of my favorite quotes of his is (paraphrasing because I am working on memory here and don't want to google the quote at this very second), "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America."

I like that perspective. It is how I look at problems myself. When seeking a solution first find what is right and build from that foundation.

I'm glad that we can tear each others throats out and still remain friends.

That's a cute political line/soundbite from Clinton, but it isn't the truth as I see it.

You cannot correctly ascertain how we got into the decline of America by looking at "what's right about America." You have to take a long hard look at what's wrong about America before you can intelligently come to the correct conclusions about how to address the problems and reverse our course.

That's not rocket science and what you and Clinton suggest is not applicable in any endeavor in life.

Perhaps you can tell me where such a philosophy applies in the real world.

 

[Damocles]

I'm glad that we can tear each others throats out and still remain friends.

That's a cute political line/soundbite from Clinton, but it isn't the truth as I see it.

You cannot correctly ascertain how we got into the decline of America by looking at "what's right about America." You have to take a long hard look at what's wrong about America before you can intelligently come to the correct conclusions about how to address the problems and reverse our course.

That's not rocket science and what you and Clinton suggest is not applicable in any endeavor in life.

Perhaps you can tell me where such a philosophy applies in the real world.

I have many times.

If we had to start from scratch each time we attempted to solve something math itself would never have gotten past multiplication and the "discovery" of zero.

Seriously, when finding solutions it is best to build on what is right. It is applicable and used every day in many lives in thousands of different contexts. Viewing the world from the "solution" side rather than dwelling solely in the "problem" side is simply a different view. It doesn't ignore the problems, it focuses on what to do about them.

Microsoft seeks a solution to a "Problem" in their software, they don't rewrite the whole thing, they make a solution based on what is already there.