ChickFilA reverses position and gives religious conservatards the middle finger!!

[Into the Night]

Capitalists, obviously, steal a part of the value of what they produce from all who work

Capitalism doesn't steal anything. Those workers are paid. They choose to be there. They negotiated their wage. If they don't get paid enough, they can always leave to find a better deal. That's also capitalism.

Slavery is not capitalism. Slaves are not allowed to leave, and are not paid. Slavery is socialism in the form of communism. The slave owner provides the slaves with food and shelter and little else. The slave owner steals the slave's labor for himself.

- how else would idle crooks get rich?

They are not idle. They are working, just like their workers. They are rich because they are worth something to somebody.

Capitalism, like living in caves, is a necessary stage in evolution, one we have outgrown.

Nope. It's alive and well, thankfully. Unfortunately, so is socialism. Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth. It needs capitalism to create that wealth to steal from.

 

[Into the Night]

Vilifying Capitalism or Socialism is a waste of time. It doesn't address the practical issues.

Yes it does.

There will be both public and private sectors no matter who runs the government.

True.

We simply need to become far more progressive as to where we draw the lines.

Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth.

 

[CFM]

A fact is an assumed predicate. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not by the definition of "fact". Look it up.

BTW, facts don't care whether you agree. They don't have to. They're facts, therefore proof, whether you accept them or not.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello bhoyal,

Will the RWNJ klan boycott ChickFilA now?
Chick-Fil-A to Stop Donating to Homophobic (cough-cough) "Charities"
Instead, the company claims it is focusing it's charitable outreach on education, homelessness, and hunger.
Mike Huckabee called that "sad" and "tragic." (Did you ever notice how a steeple looks just like a giant dunce cap?)

It is a sign of the times.

Welcome one.

Chick-Fil-A political controversy lingers, despite company’s change in donation policy

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Capitalism doesn't steal anything. Those workers are paid. They choose to be there. They negotiated their wage. If they don't get paid enough, they can always leave to find a better deal. That's also capitalism.

Slavery is not capitalism. Slaves are not allowed to leave, and are not paid. Slavery is socialism in the form of communism. The slave owner provides the slaves with food and shelter and little else. The slave owner steals the slave's labor for himself.

They are not idle. They are working, just like their workers. They are rich because they are worth something to somebody.

Nope. It's alive and well, thankfully. Unfortunately, so is socialism. Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth. It needs capitalism to create that wealth to steal from.

Fat bloody choice - come off it! Who controls the government? Capitalists. Who controls the media? Capitalists. What is the value of a commodity? What you pay for it. Who produces the commodity? The worker. What does he get paid? A lot less. Who steals the difference? The capitalist. These crooks 'work' only as con-men and burglars work - they produce nothing. You know nothing whatever about socialism because your masters won't let you, so there's no use my spending too long pointing out the difference between your arse and your elbow. Heil Trumpf and Death to Intelligence!

 

[TOP]

Wait...they "reversed positions"? So they're open today?

 

[Into the Night]

Not by the definition of "fact". Look it up.

Dictionaries don't define words. The word 'fact' is defined by logic.

BTW, facts don't care whether you agree.

Facts are not alive.

They don't have to.

Facts are not alive.

They're facts, therefore proof, whether you accept them or not.

Facts are not a proof.

You are simply denying logic...probably because you never learned it.

 

[Into the Night]

Fat bloody choice -

Yup.

come off it! Who controls the government?

In the United States, the Constitution of the United States. In the UK, an oligarchy made up of the King or Queen, the prime minister, the house of Lords and the house of Commons.

Capitalists.

Nope. The government controls the government in the UK. You have no constitution. You live under an oligarchy.

Who controls the media?

In the UK, that would be the government. In the United States, that would be no one.

Capitalists.

In the United States, that is true. You will find they many of these capitalists are unsuccessful. Different capitalists are saying different things. No one capitalist controls the media in the United States.

What is the value of a commodity?

The price set by market forces.

What you pay for it.

No, what you are willing to pay for it versus what the seller are willing to sell it for. This is called 'price discovery'.

Who produces the commodity? The worker. What does he get paid?

He will get paid according to the pay he negotiated. His pay is set by price discover, same as any other commodity.

A lot less.

Than what?

Who steals the difference? The capitalist.

The worker is a capitalist.

These crooks 'work' only as con-men and burglars work - they produce nothing.

What crooks? Companies that don't provide what the public wants don't last long!

You know nothing whatever about socialism because your masters won't let you,

I have no masters.

so there's no use my spending too long pointing out the difference between your arse and your elbow.

YALIF.

Heil Trumpf and Death to Intelligence!

YALIF.

You have no idea what fascism is. Fascism is a form of socialism.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Yup.

In the United States, the Constitution of the United States. In the UK, an oligarchy made up of the King or Queen, the prime minister, the house of Lords and the house of Commons.

Nope. The government controls the government in the UK. You have no constitution. You live under an oligarchy.

In the UK, that would be the government. In the United States, that would be no one.

In the United States, that is true. You will find they many of these capitalists are unsuccessful. Different capitalists are saying different things. No one capitalist controls the media in the United States.

The price set by market forces.

No, what you are willing to pay for it versus what the seller are willing to sell it for. This is called 'price discovery'.

He will get paid according to the pay he negotiated. His pay is set by price discover, same as any other commodity.

Than what?

The worker is a capitalist.

What crooks? Companies that don't provide what the public wants don't last long!

I have no masters.

YALIF.

YALIF.

You have no idea what fascism is. Fascism is a form of socialism.

Bloody 'ell, dunnee go on! You are controlled totally by capitalists, mate, who never allow you to think. All countries are controlled by capitalists, obviously, but in some we still have the right to think, because they can't take it away. That you betrayed your own particular ruler once to save slavery seems to have used up your mini-minds forever, I'm afraid. If you want to discuss anything, kid, avoid Bible-length: modern attention-spans don't run to it.

 

[Getin the ring]

protesting, or boycotting a "product" is not something conservatives do out in the open. We leave that display of childish anger to liberals.

Chik-Filet can do anything they want to do, if I find it petty and I am in the mood for some nuggets, I get in line and buy them. If something they do strikes me as unacceptable then I just wont eat there, I'm not going to embarrass myself by standing out in front of someones place of employment with a bunch of rejects.
that's for liberals

Nike is a perfect example, I have Nike stuff but I'm not going to burn it or trash it, I paid money for it and it's something I like because I once chose to wear it and will wear it again
BUT

I'll never buy anything NIKE again. Theres too many choices to feed them my money after they sided with the devil, again.
That's hitting them where it hurts, and not hurting me where it hits.

 

[Celticguy]

I expect people to back up what they say here. I expect it from the rambling Trump supporters so letting it slide here would be disingenuous.

Its their money. They can spend it as they please. At least they ARE spending it to help people as opposed to lefties who spend on polititians.

 

[Into the Night]

Bloody 'ell, dunnee go on!

Obviously, you're triggered now.

You are controlled totally by capitalists, mate,

Nope. I am a capitalist, and I am not your mate.

who never allow you to think.

Obviously, you are not thinking.

All countries are controlled by capitalists,

Even North Korea? Someday, you'll learn the English language. You haven't spoken it so long you've forgotten it. All you know is Liberal now.

but in some we still have the right to think,

You are not thinking.

because they can't take it away.

Apparently someone has. You are not thinking.

That you betrayed your own particular ruler

We don't have rulers in the United States.

once to save slavery

Slavery is illegal in the United States.

seems to have used up your mini-minds forever, I'm afraid.

I already know you like your dump better than our dump. You are welcome to stay out of our dump.

If you want to discuss anything, kid, avoid Bible-length: modern attention-spans don't run to it.

Using words too big for you, eh?

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Using words too big for you, eh?[/QUOTE]

I doubt it, but I never read long-winded crap.

 

[Into the Night]

I doubt it, but I never read long-winded crap.

Using words too big for you, eh?

 

[CFM]

Dictionaries don't define words. The word 'fact' is defined by logic.

Facts are not alive.

Facts are not alive.

Facts are not a proof.

You are simply denying logic...probably because you never learned it.

You are denying facts because you don't like them.

 

[CFM]

I expect people to back up what they say here. I expect it from the rambling Trump supporters so letting it slide here would be disingenuous.

You only expect those with which you disagree to do so. The others you let slide.

 

[Airstrip One]

Fat bloody choice - come off it! Who controls the government? Capitalists. Who controls the media? Capitalists. What is the value of a commodity? What you pay for it. Who produces the commodity? The worker. What does he get paid? A lot less. Who steals the difference? The capitalist. These crooks 'work' only as con-men and burglars work - they produce nothing. You know nothing whatever about socialism because your masters won't let you, so there's no use my spending too long pointing out the difference between your arse and your elbow. Heil Trumpf and Death to Intelligence!

Voters control the government in a liberal democracy. Under socialism, it is the sort of oligarchs whom you admire that control everything. Some of those voters in a liberal democracy happen to be industrialists, media moghuls, investors, and the like.

There are only evil people in charge under socialism. There are all sorts mucking about in a liberal democracy.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Voters control the government in a liberal democracy. Under socialism, it is the sort of oligarchs whom you admire that control everything. Some of those voters in a liberal democracy happen to be industrialists, media moghuls, investors, and the like.

There are only evil people in charge under socialism. There are all sorts mucking about in a liberal democracy.

Do they bollocks - they are lied to by the crooks every minute of every day, as your reaction demonstrates: socialism is control by the workers, not by bosses like yours who pretend to be socialist as yours pretend to be Christian. Socialism means control by the vast majority, and if they are evil, Calvinist, there isn't much to be done.

 

[Into the Night]

You are denying facts because you don't like them.

Void argument fallacy.

 

[CFM]

Void argument fallacy.

Nothing void about facts except your unwillingness to accept them.