Christianity, the religion for anti-intellectuals.

Lao Tse said:
the catholic Church represents little about christ's actual teachings.
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^ Whitewasher and apologist for totalitarian atheism.


Number of people killed by Spanish Inquisition: between three to five thousand.

Number of people murdered by secular governments in 20th century: 20 to 30 million
 
Cypress said:
^ Whitewasher and apologist for totalitarian atheism.


Number of people killed by Spanish Inquisition: between three to five thousand.

Number of people murdered by secular governments in 20th century: 20 to 30 million
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totalitarianism was used with wreckless abandon within the catholic church.

check out the Jesuit fourth vow, Nutless.
 
Cypress said:
^ Whitewasher and apologist for totalitarian atheism.


Number of people killed by Spanish Inquisition: between three to five thousand.

Number of people murdered by secular governments in 20th century: 20 to 30 million
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is there salvation outside the Catholic church?
 
Lao Tse said:
totalitarianism was used with wreckless abandon within the catholic church.

check out the Jesuit fourth vow, Nutless.
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It's very telling that when you wanted to complain about moral depravity the first thing you thought of was four thousand people killed in an inquisition in Spain 500 years ago, rather than the 20 million murdered by totalitarian atheism less than 80 years ago.

You are forthwith dubbed a protector and whitewasher of totalitarian atheism
 
Cypress said:
It's very telling that when you wanted to complain about moral depravity the first thing you thought of was four thousand people killed in an inquisition in Spain 500 years ago, rather than the 20 million murdered by totalitarian atheism less than 80 years ago.

You are forthwith dubbed a protector and whitewasher of totalitarian atheism
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i started on the church because this is Catholic church discussion.

you're actually broadening the discussion to all atrocities to dilute Catholic atrocities.

and that's ok too.

gulags were bad.

the Armenian genocide was bad.

the gazan genocide is bad.

the wwII holocausts were bad.

lets go the the common themes of all of them.
 
Lao Tse said:
i started on the church because this is Catholic church discussion.
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No, it was a discussion on Western intellectual history.

If you want to divert the discussion to moral depravity, the place to start are history's most diabolical crimes against humanity committed by secular governments and atheists in the last 80 years. The Spanish Inquisition isn't even remotely in the same ballpark.
 
This verse right here confounds the religious people and intellectuals. Salvation is not found in a church, denomination or works. Salvation is only found in Jesus. Remember, when Jesus spoke these words there was only the Old Testament. Jesus is saying the Old Testament speaks of HIM.

Jesus' View of the Scriptures "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life." (John 5:39,40).
 
Cypress said:
No, it was a discussion on Western intellectual history.

If you want to divert the discussion to moral depravity, the place to start are history's most diabolical crimes against humanity committed by secular governments and atheists in the last 80 years. The Spanish Inquisition isn't even remotely in the same ballpark.
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and christianity.

its in the title dipshit.
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
This verse right here confounds the religious people and intellectuals. Salvation is not found in a church, denomination or works. Salvation is only found in Jesus. Remember, when Jesus spoke these words there was only the Old Testament. Jesus is saying the Old Testament speaks of HIM.

Jesus' View of the Scriptures "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life." (John 5:39,40).
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the church and the totalitarian busybodies don't like this kind of talk.
 
Cypress said:
So if a thread is about the theory of general relativity, we should discuss Einstein's moral failings. (y)
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I don't think that's comparable.

Christianity was in the title of this thread, but I am happy to discuss other atrocities.

and i told you atheists are WORSE than Catholics.

but all you have in your playbook is one script.

why are you so embarrassing to yourself, intellectually?
 
Cypress said:
Again, if you want to turn the thread into a complaint about moral depravity, the place to start is the Gulag, the Holocaust, the Cultural Revolution which occurred under secular governments and made the Spanish inquisition utterly pale in comparison. They're not even in the same league.
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A couple points:

1. None of those secular governments killed people in the name of secularism or atheism.
2. The Spanish Inquisition was EXPLICTLY done in the name of and with full support of the church.
3. As were the 1-9 million people killed in the Crusades

I don't get the sense that this point you are raising is entirely fair to secularism. Secularism does NOT support the murder of millions of citizens. It just doesn't. There's nothing about secularism that would speak to that. Religion is presumably dedicated to NOT murdering millions of people. But when religion does so it is usually in the express name of the religion and with the full support of the religion.

I think that's a key difference.

I know you have stopped reading this by now since you don't like reading a lot, but I will readily grant that those murders in both secular and religious frames were all done as naked expressions of power and control. So in both cases they are equally acting for bad reasons. But in only ONE of those cases do they lie about the reason.

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
 
Cypress said:
No, you are protecting your totalitarian atheist friends.

When you thought of moral depravity, the first thing your mind thought of was an inquisition in Spain 500 years ago - rather than history's most diabolical mass moral crimes which happened just in the last 80 years.
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Murder is, by definition, moral depravity regardless of who does it.

Religion is the only time when that moral depravity is JUSTIFIED by the tenants of the religion.

There's a story in the BIble of a king of Israel who was commanded by the prophet Samuel to murder all the people and livestock of one nation (Amalek) per God's instructions to Samuel. The king started to conduct the genocide as commanded but kept a few livestock and the king of the targeted people alive which apparently annoyed God and he turned his back on the King of Israel. Here's an example in which innocent people (women and children and the aged) were murdered. Not for something they did but for something their ancestors did. Innocents are murdered.

Have you ever asked a Christian, even a middle of the road, moderate christian how they square that story with their faith? It is always a difficult conversation because they will never say it was outright wrong. The response I'm most used to seeing involves things like "God will take care of the innocents in heaven and they will have a better deal overall than living..." or some such (not joking).

In a simple case of actual murder (killing of an innocent) it is very difficult for the faith to simply disavow the story altogether which is the far more rational approach.

I am NOT saying that religious faith is somehow "evil", far from it. But rather that these strong moral inclinations you gladly laud one side with while excoriating the opposing for having no such moral inclinations and in fact the OPPOSITE of moral inclinations, is not a fair comparison. Both sides have the exact same moral inclinations. But in the case of religion they will use the religion to JUSTIFY straying from those moral inclinations. Which I don't see as necessarily a "better" thing.
 
Lao Tse said:
catholics at least value Catholic life, well, except for some sexy children.

atheists want to kill everyone and themselves.
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Oh, so you just made this shit up and decreed it true. Got it.

I thought you had a reasoned position based on facts or something.
 
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