CIA documents supported Susan Rice’s description of Benghazi attacks

I Love America said:
So apparently their only argument against you is that you and I agree on this one issue (I still love that they think that I am Alias). I guess they really don't like bipartisanship
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They believe that ONLY democrats know what's best.

They can do no wrong.

If I don't like Obama, I must be a racist.
 
blackascoal said:
Yet another really dumb ass poster who can't challenge truth and one that I smacked around like a pinata on another thread on this same issue.

Is there ANY intelligenece among Obama supporters?
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Sure, it's all part of a big plot. I think it was all lead by Bigfoot, some chupacabras and a martian.

This is another tactic. They overwhelm you with mountains of bullshit and if you don't clean up every piece they regenerate the whole.

bac, you have not smacked anyone around. You still have not supplied the source for your earliest claim. You just keep shoveling more shit.
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Sure, it's all part of a big plot. I think it was all lead by Bigfoot, some chupacabras and a martian.

This is another tactic. They overwhelm you with mountains of bullshit and if you don't clean up every piece they regenerate the whole.

bac, you have not smacked anyone around. You still have not supplied the source for your earliest claim. You just keep shoveling more shit.
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Anyone interested in what a total smackdown looks like .. go here ..
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...-Benghazi-Smoking-Gun-Goes-Up-in-Smoke/page16
 
I Love America said:
So apparently their only argument against you is that you and I agree on this one issue (I still love that they think that I am Alias). I guess they really don't like bipartisanship
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It's not about either of you though you both try to make it so.

Can we go back to the one thing that was raised by the op and talk about that? No, because some would rather fog it all up with crazy talk.

Susan Rice spoke based on the information she was given by the CIA. The right and critics of the administration have tried to calim that they covered up the intelligence. They did not andone I posted earlier prove that.

Can we talk about that?
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
If you want to bring that back up then I am still waiting on your source for your initial point.

Can you focus on this issue? Focus. Do you have any?
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Can you take your low informtion ass and post to someone else.

Your ignorance of the issue is boring.

I've responded to everything asked .. your only response is your feelings about me.

You didn't know what the Sinjar Records are.

You didn't even know who the LIFG is.

You don't have enough information to even be having this conversation.

But if you insist, I'll smack you around some more.
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
It's not about either of you though you both try to make it so.

Can we go back to the one thing that was raised by the op and talk about that? No, because some would rather fog it all up with crazy talk.

Susan Rice spoke based on the information she was given by the CIA. The right and critics of the administration have tried to calim that they covered up the intelligence. They did not andone I posted earlier prove that.

Can we talk about that?
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So you want to ignore the evidence that they knew what was going in within 2 hours of the attack? I get it, you want to defend Obama until next Wednesday
 
blackascoal said:
Libyan witnesses recount organized Benghazi attack

It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57541740/libyan-witnesses-recount-organized-benghazi-attack/
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Apparently, someone does not understand what "much" means. I don't consider unnamed witnesses as much proof. It is some proof, I guess. I don't have any reason to doubt the source. The source was told by some witnesses (who they were I don't know) that roadblocks were set up. That's not much to jump on. Sorry.

But even with that there are too many reasons to doubt that this was a well planned attack. It appears to me they threw it together hastily and that is what the CIA is confirming. But of course, nothing the CIA says can be trusted, right. Let me ask, who is to saysome nefarious part of the CIA did not plant those witnesses of a roadblock. There is no end to the plots, subplots and counter plots that nutters like you will revert to. There is no point, in chasing every string.

Let's focus on this story. Can you do that? Can you focus on this story?
 
I Love America said:
So you want to ignore the evidence that they knew what was going in within 2 hours of the attack? I get it, you want to defend Obama until next Wednesday
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What evidence? This story provides EVIDENCE that they shared what they knew and that their initial assessments are still fairly accurate. Why are you ignoring the evidence, stubbornresistancetofacts?
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Apparently, someone does not understand what "much" means. I don't consider unnamed witnesses as much proof. It is some proof, I guess. I don't have any reason to doubt the source. The source was told by some witnesses (who they were I don't know) that roadblocks were set up. That's not much to jump on. Sorry.

But even with that there are too many reasons to doubt that this was a well planned attack. It appears to me they threw it together hastily and that is what the CIA is confirming. But of course, nothing the CIA says can be trusted, right. Let me ask, who is to say nefarious part of the CIA did not plant those witnesses of a roadblock. There is no end to the plots, subplots and counter plots that nutters like you will revert to. There is no point, in chasing every string.

Let's focus on this story. Can you do that? Can you focus on this story?
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This is a classic case of there being a confused picture and yet the right wing loonies wanted to send special forces into a situation where there was precious little intel and no real way of knowing who were the good and bad guys. If there had been civilian casualities they would be screaming blue murder that Obama was putting boots on the ground and killing innocent people.
 
blackascoal said:
Can you take your low informtion ass and post to someone else.

Your ignorance of the issue is boring.

I've responded to everything asked .. your only response is your feelings about me.

You didn't know what the Sinjar Records are.

You didn't even know who the LIFG is.

You don't have enough information to even be having this conversation.

But if you insist, I'll smack you around some more.
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Yeah exactly, it's boring to deal with singular facts when you can weave this deep and interesting mosaic of crazy.

You have not proven that I don't know who these organizations are or even offered any reason why I should know who they are. All you are doing is engaging in some sort of stupid ad hom. According to you, I am not qualified becasue I don't know all the pieces of data collected from your conspiracy fetish. No, I don't. So? Tell us why it is relevant, TO THIS ISSUE , or just stfu already.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
This is a classic case of there being a confused picture and yet the right wing loonies wanted to send special forces into a situation where there was precious little intel and no real way of knowing who were the good and bad guys. If there had been civilian casualities they would be screaming blue murder that Obama was putting boots on the ground and killing innocent people.
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I agree. It appears Woods died in part because he disobeyed his orders to stay out of it. I have seen any information on why Doherty was there. So if the order to stand down had been obeyed it is likely the causalities would have been just two (Smith and Stevens), which could not have been avoided regardless of the response. It appears the orders given were highly effective in minimizing the loss of life.
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Yeah exactly, it's boring to deal with singular facts when you can weave this deep and interesting mosaic of crazy.

You have not proven that I don't know who these organizations are or even offered any reason why I should know who they are. All you are doing is engaging in some sort of stupid ad hom. According to you, I am not qualified becasue I don't know all the pieces of data collected from your conspiracy fetish. No, I don't. So? Tell us why it is relevant, TO THIS ISSUE , or just stfu already.
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You should ask him about Noman Benotman, the ex-head of LIFA.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
There were and probably still are militias in Bengahazi, I very much doubt that something of significance like a demo outside the US consulate would escape their attention.
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Yes Tom, we know there are militias in Benghazi... the point was that it is ludicrous to think they just happened to be walking by in force, with heavy weapons and spontaneously threw up road blocks and then not only hit the embassy, but the safe house as well. It is nothing short of absurd to pretend this was spontaneous.
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
There is not much proof of anyone blocking off the street. Not saying it did not happen but... It does not appear the heavy weapons were used until late, at least the mortars were not. They had no plan to get into the safe house.

As I highlighted in the last paragraph(s) and said before, it was not really spontaneous it was more opportunistic. Also, there were many motivations. Give me two people that want to see Romney lose and I can find fifty different reasons for it. But simple minded Americans lead by a soundbite press might focus on one and claim that explains it all. The administration repeatedly tried to avoid that.

The video was absolutely a part of this, but there is no one reason. There does not seem to be much proof of a pro Quaddafi element, which is what bac has been claiming.
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LMAO... The admin tried to avoid it? THAT is pure bullshit. They continually tried to steer it TOWARDS the conclusion that it was the video that caused it rather than some failure of policy etc...

But I know, you are again going to pretend the Carney press conference didn't happen. That we haven't already posted in on this board for all to see.

Right String?
 
blackascoal said:
Libyan witnesses recount organized Benghazi attack

It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57541740/libyan-witnesses-recount-organized-benghazi-attack/
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Sorry, but that is not a pre-approved piece by the Dem fantasy patrol. You therefore cannot use it as evidence that the streets were blocked off and heavy weapons used from the start.
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
Apparently, someone does not understand what "much" means. I don't consider unnamed witnesses as much proof. It is some proof, I guess. I don't have any reason to doubt the source. The source was told by some witnesses (who they were I don't know) that roadblocks were set up. That's not much to jump on. Sorry.
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So get Obama to release the satellite data, they were watching the event unfold.

But even with that there are too many reasons to doubt that this was a well planned attack. It appears to me they threw it together hastily and that is what the CIA is confirming.
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Link us up to the CIA confirming it was thrown together hastily. Also, list a few of your 'too many reasons' to doubt is was 'well planned' (which is obviously subjective). By well planned do you mean 'well in advance' or 'hey the plan didn't go as well as they wanted so it was not well planned'?

I think it is funny that you proclaim it not well planned when the embassy was burning inside of 15 minutes and our ambassador apparently dead within an hour.
 
TheRocketSurgeon said:
I agree. It appears Woods died in part because he disobeyed his orders to stay out of it. I have seen any information on why Doherty was there. So if the order to stand down had been obeyed it is likely the causalities would have been just two (Smith and Stevens), which could not have been avoided regardless of the response. It appears the orders given were highly effective in minimizing the loss of life.
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The bullshit theory about sending F-16s from Italy is just total fanciful nonsense. They bellyache over drones in Pakistan so they would have a field day with jets strafing and dropping bombs in a built up area. How long would it have taken to send helicopters with special forces over 500 miles? Helicopters like Blackhawks only have a range of 300 miles so they would require refuelling in mid air over the Mediterranean at night. Refuelling helicopters is rather more tricky than refuelling fixed wing aircraft. Apart from anything else, the helicopter has to be travelling very fast (for a helicopter) to keep up whilst the tanker is flying at near stall speeds.

I also observe how those that choose to make this political issue have ignored totally the reaction of Libyans to the events. I quote from Wiki.

Libyans held demonstrations in Benghazi and Tripoli, condemning the violence and holding signs such as, "Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans,"[SUP][4][/SUP] and apologizing to Americans for the actions in their name and in the name of Muslims. On September 21, about 30,000 Libyans protested against armed militias in their country including Ansar al-Sharia, an Islamist militia alleged to have played a role in the attack, and stormed several militia headquarters, forcing the occupants to flee. On September 23, the Libyan president ordered that all unauthorized militias either disband or come under government control. Militias across the country began surrendering to the government and submitting to its authority. Hundreds of Libyans gathered in Tripoli and Benghazi to hand over their weapons to the government.
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Superfreak said:
Yes Tom, we know there are militias in Benghazi... the point was that it is ludicrous to think they just happened to be walking by in force, with heavy weapons and spontaneously threw up road blocks and then not only hit the embassy, but the safe house as well. It is nothing short of absurd to pretend this was spontaneous.
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I am saying that it was opportunistic and they saw a situation that they were able to exploit, anyway who said they were just walking by?

SF, please save your patronising tone for someone who deserves it, like Darla.
 
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