Clinton v. McCain, within the margin of error!

Hitler isn't running. I don't have to make that choice. Plus Jebbie doesn't have the same politics that I have. At least I have no evidence that he does.
 
Jarod said:
Agreed, but I think its a good bet those two will be our mainstreem choices for president in 08'. Given that choice I might go third party.
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We're jumping the gun here.

This is all media hype, and polling based on name recognition. The modern Democratic party has a history of often nominating dark horses. Candidates who were not well known, two years out from an election: Clinton, Carter, Dukkakis. It could very well be that there is a moderate Democratic governor out there, who is not currently well known, who could shake up the race.

The repubs are much more likely to nominate a conventional figure: one favored by the establishment and well connected to establishment insiders. I think they may be stuck with McCain.
 
Jarod said:
I am really shocked by this.

Dick Morris was on television last night. He really does not like Sennator Clinton but he said last night he would be suprised if she did not win, because of the shift in voter turn out it will cause among women.

The conservatives already have about max on voter turnout for conservative men... but voter turnout for liberal women is, according to him, very low. He thinks if Sennator Clinton runs, it will get out many who have never voted before to vote for her. I belive it will get many to come out just to vote against her, but according to Morris, those people are going to vote Republican anyway.
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I know LIBERAL women who despise Clinton and would refuse to vote for her. I doubt Clinton has any chance of passing the 33 percent mark.
 
Thats playing politics Alex. But McCain has some unfortunate stances. That said I find him better than many canidates.

With a gun to my head to pick either McCain or Clinton I'd choose McCain.

Out of viable Republican canidates Hagel would be my favorite.
 
Jarod said:
I dislike his recient support for the religous right.
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You are an idiot ... no two ways about it.. you talk straight out of your ass.

Mccain and the religous right? How about Mccain and Religous liberty you moron ...
 
I still say Hillary will not be the Nominee .... especially if Gore gets in the race ...and if Warner starts getting some big money .... which thus far he hasnt ...
Warner needs to start getting some National play ..once he does look out ...

I still maintain Gore/Warner vrs. Mccain/Gullianni
 
maineman said:
Even though I am not a big Hillary fan and hope she doesn't run...a Hillary- Barak Obama ticket would be intriguing. All those women voting and all those african americans.... wow
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I do think that *someone* needs to generate some interest among those who don't vote. They, the non-voters, are the single largest plurality of the electorate: there's more of them than vote for any single candidate or party.

Hillary wouldn't be my choice either. And I really don't like the idea of the presidency being the brass ring in a pissing match between two families. Furthermore, I haven't voted Democrat in years. Many years.

Even with all that, I'd be tempted to vote for her. Shocking, but true. It's the female thing, you know. It's time and long past time. ;)
 
OrnotBitwise said:
I do think that *someone* needs to generate some interest among those who don't vote. They, the non-voters, are the single largest plurality of the electorate: there's more of them than vote for any single candidate or party.

Hillary wouldn't be my choice either. And I really don't like the idea of the presidency being the brass ring in a pissing match between two families. Furthermore, I haven't voted Democrat in years. Many years.

Even with all that, I'd be tempted to vote for her. Shocking, but true. It's the female thing, you know. It's time and long past time. ;)
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There needs to be more of a reason than that .. we are at a crossroads here Brother Ornot ...
We need to get a couple of technocrats in power .. people who recognize the need to go into certain directions ... Be it man or woman ..I dont really care.. but Hillary does not fit this bill.
We need people who are going to look at the crisis of energy square in the face and move on it ... Energy is our biggest issue ... solving this will one day get us out of the mid east cluster fuck.
 
klaatu said:
There needs to be more of a reason than that ..
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Does there? Why? If neither of the major candidates represent my views to any great extent, I can either vote third party, as I usually do, or use my vote in support of one of the major candidates for other reasons.

I honestly believe that the fact we have not, even now, elected a female president is shameful.
we are at a crossroads here Brother Ornot ...
We need to get a couple of technocrats in power .. people who recognize the need to go into certain directions ...
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I agree. OTOH, I think that Hillary is, at heart, a technocrat. A policy wonk. She's just a two-faced policy wonk when it comes to pandering for votes.
Be it man or woman ..I dont really care.. but Hillary does not fit this bill.
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She's not my first choice either. Nor my second. Nor even my tenth. My guy isn't likely to be elected, however. That's the trouble with being an extremist: you have to learn to be phlegmatic about disappointment. And pinheads. ;)
We need people who are going to look at the crisis of energy square in the face and move on it ... Energy is our biggest issue ... solving this will one day get us out of the mid east cluster fuck.
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I'd rather Gore, if I absolutely *had* to pick a Dem. But Gore isn't going to run. I'm quite confident of that. I believe he likes what he's doing now too well . . . and doesn't want to clash with the Clinton bulldozer, either. I believe he's had enough.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Does there? Why? If neither of the major candidates represent my views to any great extent, I can either vote third party, as I usually do, or use my vote in support of one of the major candidates for other reasons.
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When you put it like that .. , Thats more of a reason isnt it? Its not just because she is a woman .. ;)


OrnotBitwise said:
I honestly believe that the fact we have not, even now, elected a female president is shameful.
I agree. OTOH, I think that Hillary is, at heart, a technocrat. A policy wonk. She's just a two-faced policy wonk when it comes to pandering for votes.
She's not my first choice either. Nor my second. Nor even my tenth. My guy isn't likely to be elected, however. That's the trouble with being an extremist: you have to learn to be phlegmatic about disappointment. And pinheads. ;)
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I think we should have had a Woman President by now as well.. and believe me I have no problem supporting one.. its just that Hillary is not the one I will support.. and like you said.. the fact that she is a Clinton is one the reasons.. Im tired of this 2 family Monarchy.
I agree she is a smart lady .. but I really havnt heard too much out of her interms of Energy and the like.



OrnotBitwise said:
I'd rather Gore, if I absolutely *had* to pick a Dem. But Gore isn't going to run. I'm quite confident of that. I believe he likes what he's doing now too well . . . and doesn't want to clash with the Clinton bulldozer, either. I believe he's had enough.
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I just dont agree with this .. I believe he is going to run because he is so darn passionate about his work .. and from his own words.. there isnt a better position to be to get these things done than the Presidency ...
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Does there? Why? If neither of the major candidates represent my views to any great extent, I can either vote third party, as I usually do, or use my vote in support of one of the major candidates for other reasons.

I honestly believe that the fact we have not, even now, elected a female president is shameful.
I agree. OTOH, I think that Hillary is, at heart, a technocrat. A policy wonk. She's just a two-faced policy wonk when it comes to pandering for votes.
She's not my first choice either. Nor my second. Nor even my tenth. My guy isn't likely to be elected, however. That's the trouble with being an extremist: you have to learn to be phlegmatic about disappointment. And pinheads. ;)
I'd rather Gore, if I absolutely *had* to pick a Dem. But Gore isn't going to run. I'm quite confident of that. I believe he likes what he's doing now too well . . . and doesn't want to clash with the Clinton bulldozer, either. I believe he's had enough.
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If that ends up to be the case, I am going to vote for Edwards. I will vote for Hillary in the primary only if the only other choices are as f'd up as she is on Iraq, in which case, her being a woman will come into play, but only all other things being equal. But if Edwards is in, and Gore isn't, I'll go for Edwards.
 
Darla said:
If that ends up to be the case, I am going to vote for Edwards. I will vote for Hillary in the primary only if the only other choices are as f'd up as she is on Iraq, in which case, her being a woman will come into play, but only all other things being equal. But if Edwards is in, and Gore isn't, I'll go for Edwards.
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If I were a Dem and able to vote in the Dem primary, I'd probably do the same. ;)

I'm thinking of the general though. If it really does shake out as Clinton vs. McCain, I'm actually likely to vote Clinton. Kind of weird, since I actually like her less than I liked Gore, but that's politics for you.
 
klaatu said:
I just dont agree with this .. I believe he is going to run because he is so darn passionate about his work .. and from his own words.. there isnt a better position to be to get these things done than the Presidency ...
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Well, we'll know fairly soon. I kind of hope I'm wrong. For the record, I also don't believe that Condi Rice will run either: if I'm wrong on both counts you can gloat twice. :D

It will be one of the more interesting questions of this next year. Is Gore running or is he going to sit this one out?
 
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