Coke goes Full Woke

[LV426]

Those numbers are balanced against the number assigned to the interviewer because of people like you.

How so?

If a person's numbers are out of whack, they get to review a two hour human resources video. Two or more strikes and they're done.

Ok, so it sounds like you weren't hiring workers, but rather shuffling workers already hired by your company to different areas of the company or business.

So you're working solely within the people your company already hired.

You made it sound like you were hiring workers. Doesn't sound like that's what you did. So you exaggerated and embellished a little bit, there, didn't you?

Gosh, you should know by now that I fucking hate it and take it personally when you try to bullshit me like that. And to that point, why is it always that with you, the deeper we get into something, the more that something begins to change and morph into something completely different?

So you weren't involved in the sourcing of candidates at all. Your role seems to have been internal personnel re-allocation. Basically, human resources. So you weren't a hiring manager, were you?

The problem is when people like you want to weight the numbers by racial identity.

That isn't what I want, nor is it anything close to what I said.

All I said was that I want all candidates to be considered, regardless of their race.

For you, that's a major problem because it means you can't coast by on mediocrity anymore, and have to actually put in work.

Expanding the pool of candidates shouldn't make your job harder, it should make your job easier because now you're looking at all candidates, not just the ones you're familiar with.

This was never done at my level. It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to start seeing a pattern when some level above us passes on well qualified applicants and hires lesser qualified applicants. They are assessing a higher number: quotas. Percentages. Public Appearances. It all adds up.

But by your own admission, you're not the hiring manager. You're just reallocating already hired personnel in the company. YOU'RE NOT BRINGING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE COMPANY.

So what the fuck makes you think your experience has anything to do with affirmative action? You're not dealing with new hires, you're dealing with people someone else already hired.

You understand that distinction, right?

 

[LV426]

gender and racial discrimination are gender and racial discrimination. where's the flaw?

How is levelling the playing field "racial discrimination"?

 

[LV426]

My argument is that what we are doing is both not working and it's making the situation worse.

But we're not doing both and what situation are you talking about? Aren't you retired? So what the fuck do you know about this?

Why is it you can only speak vaguely and ambiguously here?

Your argument is to support institutionalized racism by having the Federal government differentiate Americans by racial identity.

So you think it's discriminatory for all candidates to be considered by an employer, regardless of race?

OK, so then who is being discriminated against?

You have no end game. No exit strategy. When does it end?

I don't know what you're referring to here because you seem to be the one who is shifting goalposts and changing the parameters of what you meant to say post-hoc.

First you said you interviewed and hired people.

Then you said you interviewed people.

Then you said you checked the numbers of people already hired in the company.

So what am I supposed to make of all that? How am I supposed to take any of that seriously or truthfully?

So again, who was this overqualified white guy who missed out on a job because a Black guy filled a quota? Give me a name. Just a single name. Any person. Anyone.

 

[Flash]

Thanks, but Stone and the Proud Boys don't think so. They have a "plan" for me.

Are those Proud Boys trying to be "less white"?

 

[dukkha]

gender and racial discrimination are gender and racial discrimination. where's the flaw?

Indeed,, jump thru as many hoops as you wish - discrimination is what it is

 

[Dutch Uncle]

..But by your own admission, you're not the hiring manager. You're just reallocating already hired personnel in the company. YOU'RE NOT BRINGING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE COMPANY.....

...you weren't a hiring manager, were you?

Correct. I was never management in that capacity. No, these were all applicants for employment. A few were employees from other departments but that was rare.

I wasn't a hiring manager. I was only in a position to see the process in action and the overall results.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Are those Proud Boys trying to be "less white"?

They're not going to feel so cool walking through the prison yard. I predict a 25% suicide rate....one way or another.

For them, a good way to help the wife and kids is an "accident". Or, depending upon finances, "lost in the woods, never found." and the seven years to declare dead thing or whatever the fucking lawyers call it.

Trials are expensive and, depending upon the case, certain to end in conviction. They put it on fucking FaceBook!!!

Anyone with true honor wouldn't hurt another American. They'd take the old way out.

The crazy nutjobs, the truly dangerous, are the lone wolves like the Tsarnaev brothers. The Timothy McVeighs. Those assholes are mass murderers in the making.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Are those Proud Boys trying to be "less white"?

PS. Yes, they should be stopped.

What is the solution, counselor?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

affirmative action is racism and sexism combined. it's deplorable.

 

[Stretch]

These brands would like you to be less white:

 

[Flash]

PS. Yes, they should be stopped.

What is the solution, counselor?

There are no solutions. You just deal with each problem the best you can until a bigger one comes along and then worry about that one. If we knew how to solve the problem of hate and hate groups we would have done it decades/centuries ago.

--the Optimist

 

[Underdog]

I asked for a link to the course in question that doesn't require me to sign up and pay for. Since nobody knows what is in it, how the hell are we supposed to know the facts?

Coke has admitted to the facts.

https://www.newsweek.com/coca-cola-...ng-plan-was-about-workplace-inclusion-1570875

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/coca-cola-racism-robin-diangelo-coke-b1806122.html

 

[Underdog]

How so?




Ok, so it sounds like you weren't hiring workers, but rather shuffling workers already hired by your company to different areas of the company or business.

So you're working solely within the people your company already hired.

You made it sound like you were hiring workers. Doesn't sound like that's what you did. So you exaggerated and embellished a little bit, there, didn't you?

Gosh, you should know by now that I fucking hate it and take it personally when you try to bullshit me like that. And to that point, why is it always that with you, the deeper we get into something, the more that something begins to change and morph into something completely different?

So you weren't involved in the sourcing of candidates at all. Your role seems to have been internal personnel re-allocation. Basically, human resources. So you weren't a hiring manager, were you?




That isn't what I want, nor is it anything close to what I said.

All I said was that I want all candidates to be considered, regardless of their race.

For you, that's a major problem because it means you can't coast by on mediocrity anymore, and have to actually put in work.

Expanding the pool of candidates shouldn't make your job harder, it should make your job easier because now you're looking at all candidates, not just the ones you're familiar with.




But by your own admission, you're not the hiring manager. You're just reallocating already hired personnel in the company. YOU'RE NOT BRINGING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE COMPANY.

So what the fuck makes you think your experience has anything to do with affirmative action? You're not dealing with new hires, you're dealing with people someone else already hired.

You understand that distinction, right?

One thing we can both agree on is dutch indeed lies and embellishes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There are no solutions. You just deal with each problem the best you can until a bigger one comes along and then worry about that one. If we knew how to solve the problem of hate and hate groups we would have done it decades/centuries ago.

--the Optimist

A slight disagreement. We're a nation of 330M Americans yet there's less than 20,000 murders/year.

Europe has a lesser murder rate after centuries of inbreeding and training them to be sheeple.

I doubt we can eliminate hate, much less murder, but keeping it down to a civilized level is obviously doable. Education and allowing common access to fulfill Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs seems to be working fairly well.

Look at where the hate (and murders) are located for common threads; lack of opportunities for growth, high stress, a general sense that justice is lacking, etc.

Murders increase with the rate of population density yet the murder rate is generally going down even as population increases. Something is working.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

There are no solutions. You just deal with each problem the best you can until a bigger one comes along and then worry about that one. If we knew how to solve the problem of hate and hate groups we would have done it decades/centuries ago.

--the Optimist

the richest people in the world, bankers, oligarchs, create hate groups as part of their divide and conquer strategy against the world's population. it distracts from their own perpetual malfeasance and misdeeds. hate groups are mostly agent provocateur deep staters.

 

[Flash]

A slight disagreement. We're a nation of 330M Americans yet there's less than 20,000 murders/year.
Europe has a lesser murder rate after centuries of inbreeding and training them to be sheeple.

I doubt we can eliminate hate, much less murder, but keeping it down to a civilized level is obviously doable. Education and allowing common access to fulfill Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs seems to be working fairly well.

Look at where the hate (and murders) are located for common threads; lack of opportunities for growth, high stress, a general sense that justice is lacking, etc.

Murders increase with the rate of population density yet the murder rate is generally going down even as population increases. Something is working.

The crime rate (and teen birth rate, abortion, divorce) have been declining since the early 1990s. I have serious doubt that is because "something" is working. We don't really know the reasons but it is just societal change unrelated to government policy just as these things began increasing in the mid 1960s.

Making some things socially unacceptable (racist language) can improve but not prevent hate and prejudice. And, I think it can go too far when people are urging hate speech be punished. The politically correct movement can backfire when it becomes too ridiculous.

For example, there are now stories (msn.com) about a movement to ban the movie "Grease." It is "misogynistic, sexist, and a bit rapey." It has no LBGTQ+ representation or diversity.

These are people just looking to complain about--they get excited about finding any kind of perceived "oppression." Following their leadership is not the way to eliminate prejudice.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The crime rate (and teen birth rate, abortion, divorce) have been declining since the early 1990s. I have serious doubt that is because "something" is working. We don't really know the reasons but it is just societal change unrelated to government policy just as these things began increasing in the mid 1960s.

Making some things socially unacceptable (racist language) can improve but not prevent hate and prejudice. And, I think it can go too far when people are urging hate speech be punished. The politically correct movement can backfire when it becomes too ridiculous.

For example, there are now stories (msn.com) about a movement to ban the movie "Grease." It is "misogynistic, sexist, and a bit rapey." It has no LBGTQ+ representation or diversity.

These are people just looking to complain about--they get excited about finding any kind of perceived "oppression." Following their leadership is not the way to eliminate prejudice.

From a holistic view, it's the entire system itself that is working even if the "whys" are not fully understood.

Human civilization is a 10,000+ year evolution of two steps forward, one step back. In some places, all the way back or completely destroyed.

Carthage is one example. They ended up fucking themselves by overplaying their naval power against a small group of Italians who could barely feed themselves. Germany did the same...twice in one century. Go figure.

 

[Flash]

From a holistic view, it's the entire system itself that is working even if the "whys" are not fully understood.

Human civilization is a 10,000+ year evolution of two steps forward, one step back. In some places, all the way back or completely destroyed.

Carthage is one example. They ended up fucking themselves by overplaying their naval power against a small group of Italians who could barely feed themselves. Germany did the same...twice in one century. Go figure.

Good point. Maybe it is just a natural evolution although at the same time we have seen negative trends--the hatred of both sides in politics that have no tolerance of those with different political opinions.

Those things you and I see as positives are not recognized by many who see everything as getting worse; especially the older generation.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Good point. Maybe it is just a natural evolution although at the same time we have seen negative trends--the hatred of both sides in politics that have no tolerance of those with different political opinions.

Those things you and I see as positives are not recognized by many who see everything as getting worse; especially the older generation.

The hazard of the Information Age. Go outside, talk to neighbors, walk around the mall. How much hate is there? It's rare. People just minding their own business living their own lives. On the news and social media we see it, but it's always localized. This is why I think the people claiming we are on the verge of civil war or a multi-state break up are wrong: the conditions aren't universal for either of those things.

Even in Texas, while there's a sentiment to lynch a few officials, it won't happen except in a legal sense. We're a nation of laws. The problem will be fixed.

Using the Texas mess, Katrina and 9/11 as examples, consider the phrase "Everything Has Its Time"**. What if GW Bush, due to intelligence reports, decided to implement DHS and TSA in August 2001? What would have happened? You and I both know it wouldn't have. People on both sides of the aisle would have exploded over the incursion on rights and the cost.

What if Clinton had carpet bombed into powder every al-Qaeda camp including Osama bin Laden himself and threatened to do the same to the Taliban if they interfered? Same reaction. People would have gone apeshit over it. It took 9/11 to make people realize we needed to do something about those assholes because most Americans sure as shit didn't believe it before 9/11.

A lot of intel and military folks saw the threat for what it was but the civilian leadership wouldn't act because it was political suicide. Like our assholes in Congress today, they didn't have the spine to risk throwing their career away to do the right thing.

All in all, that's normal behavior. So we ended up with 9/11, the Katrina disaster and the Texas mess because of the nature of human beings as a group. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep pushing to do the right thing. It just means we need to be realistic about what we can do and what we can't given present circumstances and human nature.


**Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

Spoiler

Everything Has Its Time
1 To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:

2 A time [a]to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;
3 A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down,
And a time to build up;
4 A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to gain,
And a time to lose;
A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;
7 A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;
8 A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.

 

[LV426]

Correct. I was never management in that capacity. No, these were all applicants for employment. A few were employees from other departments but that was rare.

So how was it unfair by considering all candidates? That's what I'm getting at here...you accuse AA of making it unfair, but you don't really say how it's unfair.

wasn't a hiring manager. I was only in a position to see the process in action and the overall results.

OK, so then you weren't really a part of the process...you just might have had some proximity to it. So that's a lot different from you said before, and totally changes the complexion of what you're saying now.

So since you weren't a hiring manager, weren't reviewing resumes, weren't sourcing resumes, weren't soliciting candidates, how can you say that AA made the hiring process unfair?