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Unionization would mean all athletes share equally, and the school, not alumni or some local car dealer, would have control. Coaches couldn’t recruit or work covertly on transfers promising six figure rewards. Point being if it is going to be professional, at least there would some semester of control and degree of amateurism

You mean every single football player at every single school would get the same amount regardless? Isn’t that basically the system we had before (you get a scholarship and a stipend)? (Which of course meant players just got paid under the table).
 
You mean every single football player at every single school would get the same amount regardless? Isn’t that basically the system we had before (you get a scholarship and a stipend)? (Which of course meant players just got paid under the table).

Partially, correct, meaning a scholarship, stipend, and salary, for lack of a better word. Such would be controlled better with all the athletes having some input

And you don’t think players will still getting paid under the table even with NIL? Schools as Alabama will never want full disclosure of totals of NIL funding, especially as it applies to certain players and the supposed services offered for the money
 
Partially, correct, meaning a scholarship, stipend, and salary, for lack of a better word. Such would be controlled better with all the athletes having some input

And you don’t think players will still getting paid under the table even with NIL? Schools as Alabama will never want full disclosure of totals of NIL funding, especially as it applies to certain players and the supposed services offered for the money

Who’s paying these proposed salaries? How’s that any different than either schools or donor groups helping kids with NIL contracts?
 
The kids need cash stipends for playing because they certainly don't give a fat fuck about the valuable scholarships they're getting.

I would love to see academia at every level divorced from all sports programs.

Let corporations waste their money on them.

Every time I hear some idiot kid not be able to deliver a simple grammatically correct sentence to a sideline reporter, I hate college sports more.
If you can't speak properly, you didn't prepare to enter college in the first place. Take remedial classes first.
 
Alabama almost elected a pedophile to the US senate then elected a football coach with brain damage to replace the Democrat. Alabama is a boil on the taint of America.

You are confusing the State of Alabama with the University of Alabama.

Yes, we are a boil on the taint of America. That is why I recommend you never ever visit Alabama. And for God's sake never ever consider moving here. It is terrible. :rolleyes:
 
Partially, correct, meaning a scholarship, stipend, and salary, for lack of a better word. Such would be controlled better with all the athletes having some input

And you don’t think players will still getting paid under the table even with NIL? Schools as Alabama will never want full disclosure of totals of NIL funding, especially as it applies to certain players and the supposed services offered for the money

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I love it when idiots make claims they cannot prove and that have no basis in reality. Alabama is fine with full disclosure.

In fact, this Saturday is an example. A long standing tradition is a victory cigar after beating the TN Vols. A couple of the athletes will buy the cigars for the team. And then they fill out the paperwork to self-report the NCAA violation.
 
You are confusing the State of Alabama with the University of Alabama.

Yes, we are a boil on the taint of America. That is why I recommend you never ever visit Alabama. And for God's sake never ever consider moving here. It is terrible. :rolleyes:
Washington state IS the taint of America.
 
You are confusing the State of Alabama with the University of Alabama.

Yes, we are a boil on the taint of America. That is why I recommend you never ever visit Alabama. And for God's sake never ever consider moving here. It is terrible. :rolleyes:

Sure. Say "hi" to Tommy Tuberville. You're about to elect a racist to the Senate. He says that blacks who scream about reparations are the only ones committing crime.

And I'll go wherever the fuck I want. I'm sorry but you're state's politics are fucked up dude. I'm sure there are some nice people there, but not enough to keep that fuck from getting elected.
 
Sure. Say "hi" to Tommy Tuberville. You're about to elect a racist to the Senate. He says that blacks who scream about reparations are the only ones committing crime.

And I'll go wherever the fuck I want. I'm sorry but you're state's politics are fucked up dude. I'm sure there are some nice people there, but not enough to keep that fuck from getting elected.

Perhaps you can clarify something. What does ANY of that have to do with college football? You know, the actual topic of the thread.

Oh, and as far as "And I'll go wherever the fuck I want", you might want to look into getting a sense of humor. It comes in handy here. Plus it might help you recognize sarcasm.


Stick to football as the topic, please.
 
Just for you Archives, some national love from today's WSJ. As I've stated we'll likely lose a couple of games this year and we're not yet ready to compete with 'Bama, Ohio State or Georgia. But that will come. You (rightfully) gave me sh*t for years because by keeping Clay Helton we showed football wasn't important to us. That time has passed. I told you we would be back.



The Overnight Rebuild That Has USC Back in the Top 10

The Trojans hired Lincoln Riley away from Oklahoma, filled huge roster gaps with transfers and have quickly vaulted back into title contention.


When Lincoln Riley took the top job at Southern California last November, he knew he was saying yes to a rebuild. What he didn’t realize was how many parts would be required to restore the Trojans to the elite status they once knew.

Long one of the glitziest programs in college football, USC’s shine dulled considerably over the last decade. After Clay Helton was fired two games into the 2021 season, 54 players on the roster left via graduation, the NFL draft, the transfer portal or retiring from football.

USC hired Riley to immediately replicate the success he had at Oklahoma, where the Sooners won four consecutive Big 12 titles and thrice earned College Football Playoff berths—though they never managed to win a semifinal game. There was no way around it: if the Trojans were going to make it to college football’s biggest stage in year one of the Riley era, the formula was going to be a little unconventional.

“I saw there were a lot of players that really wanted to be a part of this thing getting back to being a successful program again,” Riley said in an interview. “Then we went out and tried to find people on the outside that could add to the talent of our roster and…recognize the opportunity of, ‘Man, how cool would it be to play at USC and try to get this program back to where it used to be in terms of national dominance?’”

Riley raided the transfer portal, adding 26 players alongside an incoming class of 14 freshmen. He leaned heavily on the returning USC players to establish expectations for the newcomers.

The experiment appears to be working so far. USC’s 6-0 start is the program’s best since 2006. The Trojans are ranked No. 7 in a top 10 that appears to be wide open. The offense, led by second-year quarterback Caleb Williams—who came with Riley from Oklahoma—is bursting with playmakers. An athletic defense leads the country in turnover margin, intercepting 12 passes and recovering three fumbles.

All of the ingredients for a dream season—which seemed to come year after year in the early aughts under coach Pete Carroll—are there. All that’s left to prove is whether this team, assembled from so many different places, can find under a common identity, Riley says.

Riley and his staff knew the learning curve would be steep, for both newcomers and returning players. Those who stuck around through the Helton years, like offensive lineman Andrew Vorhees, cycled through three head coaches and multiple position coaches and coordinators since 2017.

Switching coaches so often is jarring for players. “It’s kind of like going to a different country and driving on the left side of the road,” Vorhees said.

There were a lot of holes on the roster—and not a lot of ways to go about filling them, other than through the transfer portal.

“Anytime you bring anybody in, specifically as a transfer, you want to upgrade,” defensive coordinator and Riley’s longtime deputy Alex Grinch said. “In this first year, some of it was just strictly based on need. That’s not a good situation to be in.”

Many of the Trojans’ transfers were the stars of major programs elsewhere. Riley lured Williams—the quarterback he recruited to Oklahoma, who had won the starting job as a true freshman in 2021—as well as his top young wide receiver, Mario Williams, to join him out west. Then came the lead running backs from Stanford (Austin Jones) and Oregon (Travis Dye), a promising linebacker from Arizona State (Eric Gentry) and the nation’s top wide receiver from Pitt (Jordan Addison).

There were a lot of new faces in the locker room all at once, to say nothing of the new coaching staff that included just one holdover from Helton’s tenure, former interim head coach Donte Williams. Riley understood that the spring and summer would be nearly as crucial in determining his team’s fortunes as the Saturdays when they suited up in the fall.

“He really challenged the dudes that were already here to kind of bring them on board and just show them what it was like in terms of the culture that we were trying to build,” Vorhees said. “I think the dudes that were already here did a really good job, because you’ve seen a seamless transition and integration of these transfers from all over the country.”

A big reason the extreme roster makeover worked was because of how badly the returning football players wanted to win after a dismal 4-8 season in 2021. They got daily reminders of USC’s iconic past whenever they walked onto the outdoor practice field—the walls list the number of Rose Bowl victories (25), Heisman Trophy winners (six), conference championships (37) and national titles (11).

“All those new people and you don’t know how they’re going to react to being around each other and how they’re going to mesh together,” Riley said.

The integration has appeared seamless so far. A prime example came last month in Corvallis, Ore., when Williams was having an off game against Oregon State. He is the kind of quarterback who is at his best when improvising reads and scrambling—his game has shades of his Sooners forebear Kyler Murray—but his freestyling was not turning into first downs, let alone explosive plays that night. The Trojans defense was there to pick up the slack, picking off the Beavers four times to preserve a 17-14 win. Two interceptions were caught by USC veterans, the other two by 2022 transfers.

“In college you’ve got to win, you’ve got to win games in different ways,” Riley said. “This isn’t the NFL, where you can go lose five or six games and then make the playoffs. It doesn’t happen like that. You have to be perfect.”

Plenty more of those tough games will be on the horizon for USC, starting this Saturday when they head to Salt Lake City to take on No. 20 Utah. Later is a date in the Rose Bowl against crosstown rival No. 11 UCLA, where electric senior quarterback Dorian Thompson Robinson has the Bruins off to a hot 6-0 start.

The unlikely football renaissance in the City of Angels comes just after USC and UCLA announced they plan to leave for the Big Ten in 2024. It’s a bitter pill for the Pac-12: the two teams that have a shot at ending the conference’s five-year drought from the College Football Playoff already have one foot out the door.

Riley will have one more season after this to re-establish the Trojans as what he calls the “bell cow” of the Pac-12 before he has to vie for that status against Big Ten powers like Ohio State and Michigan.

“This program could be successful in any league, any time, anywhere,” Riley said. “It’s still really really really hard to do, but this program has the capability.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/usc-trojans-lincoln-riley-football-11665490639?mod=hp_listc_pos2
 
Who’s paying these proposed salaries? How’s that any different than either schools or donor groups helping kids with NIL contracts?

The school, with the millions raised in sports programs. The schools would have control, they negotiate with the athletes, eliminating NIL groups, as I said, one would have to be totally naive to think that the school wouldn’t appease the demands of the NIL group when it came to donors demands
 
The kids need cash stipends for playing because they certainly don't give a fat fuck about the valuable scholarships they're getting.

I would love to see academia at every level divorced from all sports programs.

Let corporations waste their money on them.

Every time I hear some idiot kid not be able to deliver a simple grammatically correct sentence to a sideline reporter, I hate college sports more.
If you can't speak properly, you didn't prepare to enter college in the first place. Take remedial classes first.

Ought to see the NFL test for intelligence, rivals a fifth grade final exam

And we are heading towards the divorce between the two, when college athletics becomes totally professional, which is the Avenue they are heading down, the split will occur, only college connection will be in name only
 
[aqQUOTE=WinterBorn;5317749]:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I love it when idiots make claims they cannot prove and that have no basis in reality. Alabama is fine with full disclosure.

In fact, this Saturday is an example. A long standing tradition is a victory cigar after beating the TN Vols. A couple of the athletes will buy the cigars for the team. And then they fill out the paperwork to self-report the NCAA violation.[/QUOTE]

Right

“Alabama Crimson Tide among schools to not disclose NIL data”
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...her-nil-spat-schools-answer-call-transparency

If you believe what the school says, they are the Harvard of the South when it comes to football players
 
Perhaps you can clarify something. What does ANY of that have to do with college football? You know, the actual topic of the thread.

Oh, and as far as "And I'll go wherever the fuck I want", you might want to look into getting a sense of humor. It comes in handy here. Plus it might help you recognize sarcasm.


Stick to football as the topic, please.

You started the argument. I'm fine sticking with ncaa football, which, by the way, I'm so superior to anyone else in predicting the best teams.
 
The school, with the millions raised in sports programs. The schools would have control, they negotiate with the athletes, eliminating NIL groups, as I said, one would have to be totally naive to think that the school wouldn’t appease the demands of the NIL group when it came to donors demands

You've talked about N.I.L. being unfair and players just going to who pays the most but how is what you are proposing with unions any different? The schools don't bring in the same amount of revenue. I think Texas has the athletic department that generates the most revenue. So the money they can give their players would be far more than someone like Kansas St. So again, kids choose to go with the highest payout right?

And Boosters have long tried to play a role in what schools do. Do you remember when Saban took the job and started winning and basically told the boosters to step the fvck back? Some of these schools have huge booster factions that fight each other for access and power and ability to influence decisions. That's just how things work because schools need them to raise money. So N.I.L. isn't giving boosters any more power than they already had because depending on the school they've had plenty.
 
Just for you Archives, some national love from today's WSJ. As I've stated we'll likely lose a couple of games this year and we're not yet ready to compete with 'Bama, Ohio State or Georgia. But that will come. You (rightfully) gave me sh*t for years because by keeping Clay Helton we showed football wasn't important to us. That time has passed. I told you we would be back.



The Overnight Rebuild That Has USC Back in the Top 10

The Trojans hired Lincoln Riley away from Oklahoma, filled huge roster gaps with transfers and have quickly vaulted back into title contention.


When Lincoln Riley took the top job at Southern California last November, he knew he was saying yes to a rebuild. What he didn’t realize was how many parts would be required to restore the Trojans to the elite status they once knew.

Long one of the glitziest programs in college football, USC’s shine dulled considerably over the last decade. After Clay Helton was fired two games into the 2021 season, 54 players on the roster left via graduation, the NFL draft, the transfer portal or retiring from football.

USC hired Riley to immediately replicate the success he had at Oklahoma, where the Sooners won four consecutive Big 12 titles and thrice earned College Football Playoff berths—though they never managed to win a semifinal game. There was no way around it: if the Trojans were going to make it to college football’s biggest stage in year one of the Riley era, the formula was going to be a little unconventional.

“I saw there were a lot of players that really wanted to be a part of this thing getting back to being a successful program again,” Riley said in an interview. “Then we went out and tried to find people on the outside that could add to the talent of our roster and…recognize the opportunity of, ‘Man, how cool would it be to play at USC and try to get this program back to where it used to be in terms of national dominance?’”

Riley raided the transfer portal, adding 26 players alongside an incoming class of 14 freshmen. He leaned heavily on the returning USC players to establish expectations for the newcomers.

The experiment appears to be working so far. USC’s 6-0 start is the program’s best since 2006. The Trojans are ranked No. 7 in a top 10 that appears to be wide open. The offense, led by second-year quarterback Caleb Williams—who came with Riley from Oklahoma—is bursting with playmakers. An athletic defense leads the country in turnover margin, intercepting 12 passes and recovering three fumbles.

All of the ingredients for a dream season—which seemed to come year after year in the early aughts under coach Pete Carroll—are there. All that’s left to prove is whether this team, assembled from so many different places, can find under a common identity, Riley says.

Riley and his staff knew the learning curve would be steep, for both newcomers and returning players. Those who stuck around through the Helton years, like offensive lineman Andrew Vorhees, cycled through three head coaches and multiple position coaches and coordinators since 2017.

Switching coaches so often is jarring for players. “It’s kind of like going to a different country and driving on the left side of the road,” Vorhees said.

There were a lot of holes on the roster—and not a lot of ways to go about filling them, other than through the transfer portal.

“Anytime you bring anybody in, specifically as a transfer, you want to upgrade,” defensive coordinator and Riley’s longtime deputy Alex Grinch said. “In this first year, some of it was just strictly based on need. That’s not a good situation to be in.”

Many of the Trojans’ transfers were the stars of major programs elsewhere. Riley lured Williams—the quarterback he recruited to Oklahoma, who had won the starting job as a true freshman in 2021—as well as his top young wide receiver, Mario Williams, to join him out west. Then came the lead running backs from Stanford (Austin Jones) and Oregon (Travis Dye), a promising linebacker from Arizona State (Eric Gentry) and the nation’s top wide receiver from Pitt (Jordan Addison).

There were a lot of new faces in the locker room all at once, to say nothing of the new coaching staff that included just one holdover from Helton’s tenure, former interim head coach Donte Williams. Riley understood that the spring and summer would be nearly as crucial in determining his team’s fortunes as the Saturdays when they suited up in the fall.

“He really challenged the dudes that were already here to kind of bring them on board and just show them what it was like in terms of the culture that we were trying to build,” Vorhees said. “I think the dudes that were already here did a really good job, because you’ve seen a seamless transition and integration of these transfers from all over the country.”

A big reason the extreme roster makeover worked was because of how badly the returning football players wanted to win after a dismal 4-8 season in 2021. They got daily reminders of USC’s iconic past whenever they walked onto the outdoor practice field—the walls list the number of Rose Bowl victories (25), Heisman Trophy winners (six), conference championships (37) and national titles (11).

“All those new people and you don’t know how they’re going to react to being around each other and how they’re going to mesh together,” Riley said.

The integration has appeared seamless so far. A prime example came last month in Corvallis, Ore., when Williams was having an off game against Oregon State. He is the kind of quarterback who is at his best when improvising reads and scrambling—his game has shades of his Sooners forebear Kyler Murray—but his freestyling was not turning into first downs, let alone explosive plays that night. The Trojans defense was there to pick up the slack, picking off the Beavers four times to preserve a 17-14 win. Two interceptions were caught by USC veterans, the other two by 2022 transfers.

“In college you’ve got to win, you’ve got to win games in different ways,” Riley said. “This isn’t the NFL, where you can go lose five or six games and then make the playoffs. It doesn’t happen like that. You have to be perfect.”

Plenty more of those tough games will be on the horizon for USC, starting this Saturday when they head to Salt Lake City to take on No. 20 Utah. Later is a date in the Rose Bowl against crosstown rival No. 11 UCLA, where electric senior quarterback Dorian Thompson Robinson has the Bruins off to a hot 6-0 start.

The unlikely football renaissance in the City of Angels comes just after USC and UCLA announced they plan to leave for the Big Ten in 2024. It’s a bitter pill for the Pac-12: the two teams that have a shot at ending the conference’s five-year drought from the College Football Playoff already have one foot out the door.

Riley will have one more season after this to re-establish the Trojans as what he calls the “bell cow” of the Pac-12 before he has to vie for that status against Big Ten powers like Ohio State and Michigan.

“This program could be successful in any league, any time, anywhere,” Riley said. “It’s still really really really hard to do, but this program has the capability.”


https://www.wsj.com/articles/usc-trojans-lincoln-riley-football-11665490639?mod=hp_listc_pos2

I never said "keeping Clay Helton ........ showed football wasn't important to us," Helton never really entered into my arguement, rather, that USC, being a recognized private school was least likely to go all in and burn the bridges that the other schools did to compete with the top four or five "football" programs

Beginning to appear I may have been incorrect, time will tell:

"Riley raided the transfer portal, adding 26 players," of which "many of the Trojans’ transfers were the stars of major programs elsewhere," and that doesn't even included others who rumors have rejected his offers, the running back at Syracuse amongst others, or, as the Pittsburgh staff said, he entered in "negotiations" even prior to the transfer portal officially opening. As I said, "the arms race," which earned the nickname, "Carpetbagger U"
 
You've talked about N.I.L. being unfair and players just going to who pays the most but how is what you are proposing with unions any different? The schools don't bring in the same amount of revenue. I think Texas has the athletic department that generates the most revenue. So the money they can give their players would be far more than someone like Kansas St. So again, kids choose to go with the highest payout right?

And Boosters have long tried to play a role in what schools do. Do you remember when Saban took the job and started winning and basically told the boosters to step the fvck back? Some of these schools have huge booster factions that fight each other for access and power and ability to influence decisions. That's just how things work because schools need them to raise money. So N.I.L. isn't giving boosters any more power than they already had because depending on the school they've had plenty.

No they don't, and there will be some inequality, but as I said, the school will have the final say, not some alumni or donor wanting to see a return on his "donation," and to discuss "boosters power" as a major influence just endorses my arguement. And please, no more Sabin narratives, can't believe you are as naïve as the other guy here who thinks Alabama has always played by the book
 
I never said "keeping Clay Helton ........ showed football wasn't important to us," Helton never really entered into my arguement, rather, that USC, being a recognized private school was least likely to go all in and burn the bridges that the other schools did to compete with the top four or five "football" programs

Beginning to appear I may have been incorrect, time will tell:

"Riley raided the transfer portal, adding 26 players," of which "many of the Trojans’ transfers were the stars of major programs elsewhere," and that doesn't even included others who rumors have rejected his offers, the running back at Syracuse amongst others, or, as the Pittsburgh staff said, he entered in "negotiations" even prior to the transfer portal officially opening. As I said, "the arms race," which earned the nickname, "Carpetbagger U"

To be clear, I'm aware you never brought up Helton. I brought up Helton as an example of us not caring by keeping him for so long.

We didn't create the transfer portal rule nor were we the first to use it. That we needed to use it to the extent we did shows how badly Helton ran down the program but nonetheless those complaining are just haters. They're just mad USC is back.
 
No they don't, and there will be some inequality, but as I said, the school will have the final say, not some alumni or donor wanting to see a return on his "donation," and to discuss "boosters power" as a major influence just endorses my arguement. And please, no more Sabin narratives, can't believe you are as naïve as the other guy here who thinks Alabama has always played by the book

Do you think schools with a lot of money wouldn't give more to the players, under union rules, if they could? Of course they would. On your recruiting visit they would just tell you "under union rules you will get (pick a number) $100K and we know if you go to (pick a school) Kansas State you will get $25K". How's that any different?

My Saban story was about dealing with boosters. Go look at the sh*t show that is Auburn right now and how their boosters are so involved and f'ing everything with different factions trying to fire the coach, hire a new one on the side etc. It's a mess. Texas has more money than anyone and they've sucked for a long time and a big reason is their various booster factions that battle for power. This isn't new nor unique to those two schools but they are high profile right now.
 
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