Communism vs Capitalism who killed more?

T. A. Gardner said:
Then maybe you should present at least a few facts to bolster your case because right now you got nothing.
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That would be like the USA starting WW3 with Sovirt Russis because of Lee Harvey Oswald.

The USA would've started that war. If it went down that way.

Austria started WW1, plain & simple.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Lots of people who know the facts do.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP6.HTM

Oh, by the way the Communist Vietnamese carried out far more political and geocidal murders than France ever did there starting with the Montagnard.

The Imperial Japanese were also better at it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_French_Indochina
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

So, everybody that actually studies history says otherwise.
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Vietnamese primarily died due to Capitalist countries like France & the USA.
 
RomanDmowski said:
Because the famine in Vietnam started under French occupation.

Because France started the first Undo China war.

Then USA backed South Vietnamese attacked & initiated the 2nd war in Vietnam.
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Prove it. I put up a whole raft of facts--FACTS--that contradict what you claim. So far, all you have for rebuttal are single sentences based on nothing.
 
Cypress said:
Pointless debate.

No one can agree on what the capitalist nations are, do they include Nazi Germany, the colonial Spanish empire, and Latin American dictatorships?

No one can agree on how many people were killed by Stalin. The 20 million Soviet citizens who were killed by Nazi Germany tend to get lumped in with Stalin because it happened on his watch. Stalin's great terror resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of perceived political opponents. Rightwing American media personalities have the impression the gulag was a system of mass genocide, when it was actually a system of forced labor. Stalin wanted slave labor, and mass genocide would not have served that purpose.
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stalin was an insane person.
 
RomanDmowski said:
It's close but I think it's actually Capitalism.
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look you know almost nothing about either in my opinion , You don't even know what capitalism is from the posts you made. Why dont you sit back with a nice brie cheese and some Moscato wine and learn something about the 2 of them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They were at war with Russia and wanted to win. Destabilizing Russia was one way to do that. Seems a perfectly viable tactic to me. The Imperial government in Russia should have shot them all immediately if they wanted to avoid that happening...



Because he did. Facts are on my side, what are you using?



Than you for that gratuitous ad hominem. You do know what ad hominem is don't you?
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The imperial Tsarist government no longer existed when Lenin showed up in Russia, having been overthrown in the February revolution.

Aka, there was no longer any Tsar for Lenin to revolt against when he rolled into Petrograd.

The provisional government of Russia was a coalition government of liberals and democratic socialists. Lenin was another garden variety socialist -- he had played no role in the overthrow of the Tsar, and and the provisional government had no reason initially to think Lenin was plotting the violent overthrow of the provisional government and establishment of a totalitarian government.

You are right about the Germans seeing it as a viable wartime tactic to ship Russian revolutionaries back home.
 
Bulletbob said:
look you know almost nothing about either in my opinion , You don't even know what capitalism is from the posts you made. Why dont you sit back with a nice brie cheese and some Moscato wine and learn something about the 2 of them.
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I think military supremacy & subservience towards authority are the biggest causes of mass murder.

If Communism is a cause in pales in comparison.
 
Capitalism is an economic theory independent of any political system that allows for it.

Communism is a totalitarian political system which co-opts the economic theory of socialism.

You can't logically compare an economic theory with a political system and decide which killed more people.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Capitalism is an economic theory independent of any political system that allows for it.

Communism is a totalitarian political system which co-opts the economic theory of socialism.

You can't logically compare an economic theory with a political system and decide which killed more people.
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you're definitions are wrong
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Capitalism is an economic theory independent of any political system that allows for it.

Communism is a totalitarian political system which co-opts the economic theory of socialism.

You can't logically compare an economic theory with a political system and decide which killed more people.
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End result of Marxism is supposed to be no state.

Although unrealistic.
 
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