Communism vs Capitalism who killed more?

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, are you claiming Soviet rule caused famine?

I would, starting with the Soviet famine of 1932-33. This was the liquidation of the Kulak class (peasants who owned land they farmed) where between 2 and 4 million were executed and the farms were collectivized. Because of collectivization and resistance to it, agricultural production fell by nearly 50%. The Soviet government went further in what today are the "stans" like Kazakhstan, where a genocidal pogrom was carried out killing somewhere between 30 and 50% of the total population. Again it devastated agricultural output.

That's totally on the Soviet dictatorship.

The famine of 1946 - 47 was more a result of WW 2 and the devastation wrought, but it also fell in part on the Soviet government who decided that motorization of the military was to take precedence and they collected up virtually all of the vehicles in civilian use to make it happen. That made harvesting and moving crops to market nearly impossible on a large scale. Further collectivization of farms in Belarus and Ukraine didn't help.

The famine in 1921 was a result of WW 1 and the Russian Civil War. So, it doesn't count.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

As with the Irish famine and forever after, wherever you have capitalism, you get famine, especially, as with Stalin, it is being established. Capitalism is about profit, not human lives, as anyone who actually looks at history can't help seeing.

 

[BattleofHodow]

I would, starting with the Soviet famine of 1932-33. This was the liquidation of the Kulak class (peasants who owned land they farmed) where between 2 and 4 million were executed and the farms were collectivized. Because of collectivization and resistance to it, agricultural production fell by nearly 50%. The Soviet government went further in what today are the "stans" like Kazakhstan, where a genocidal pogrom was carried out killing somewhere between 30 and 50% of the total population. Again it devastated agricultural output.

That's totally on the Soviet dictatorship.

The famine of 1946 - 47 was more a result of WW 2 and the devastation wrought, but it also fell in part on the Soviet government who decided that motorization of the military was to take precedence and they collected up virtually all of the vehicles in civilian use to make it happen. That made harvesting and moving crops to market nearly impossible on a large scale. Further collectivization of farms in Belarus and Ukraine didn't help.

The famine in 1921 was a result of WW 1 and the Russian Civil War. So, it doesn't count.

Yes, and so did Brits.

 

[BattleofHodow]

As with the Irish famine and forever after, wherever you have capitalism, you get famine, especially, as with Stalin, it is being established. Capitalism is about profit, not human lives, as anyone who actually looks at history can't help seeing.

Right, the British Empire caused more deaths by famine than any other regime.

24 in India amounting to 60 - 85 million deaths.

Ireland famine.

Persia famine.

Blockade on Germany in WW1.

All British famines.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Right, the British Empire caused more deaths by famine than any other regime.

24 in India amounting to 60 - 85 million deaths.

Ireland famine.

Persia famine.

Blockade on Germany in WW1.

All British famines.

Who's arguing? I'm not a capitalist of any kind, matey, and certainly no believer in empires or the United Kingdom.