Con Law - Lesson 1 "The Preamble"

SmarterthanYou said:
Article 1, Section 8 provides all the limits you need to know about.
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Article 1 section 8 provides a list of things the government can do, article 1 section 9 provides a list of things the government cannot do. Are you saying both those lists are exhaustive? Where are the words saying those are the only things they can and cannot do?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Would it make you feel more like a man if I said yes? Do you like to frighten people? Do you want people to be scared of you, son?

Already did the other day. Why does that bother you so much that I bathe my dog, kick him out and shower off? I'm 65 years old and a little beat up from life experiences. It's easier on my back and knees yet you go into a conniption about it. Why, Arbie?
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I AM a man, something you'll never be. You're just a lying coward who attacks other poster's mothers.

Do you try to have sex with your dog in the bathtub? I sure wouldn't doubt it.

Oh, and there are those who I allow to call me Arby (see the correct spelling), you are not one of them.
 
RB 60 said:
I AM a man, something you'll never be. You're just a lying coward who attacks other poster's mothers.

Do you try to have sex with your dog in the bathtub? I sure wouldn't doubt it.

Oh, and there are those who I allow to call me Arby (see the correct spelling), you are not one of them.
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How awesome for you. Your mother must be very proud.

What kind of puny perverted mind would think about having sex with a dog? You're the first to suggest it. Interesting, Arbie. Perverted, but you know Abbie Normals interest me.

You're free to spell "Arby" however you like but I'm sticking with Arbie for you, son. :thup:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
How awesome for you. Your mother must be very proud.

What kind of puny perverted mind would think about having sex with a dog? You're the first to suggest it. Interesting, Arbie. Perverted, but you know Abbie Normals interest me.

You're free to spell "Arby" however you like but I'm sticking with Arbie for you, son. :thup:
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Go bathe and have sex with your dog, you sick lying perverted coward.
 
RB 60 said:
Go bathe and have sex with your dog, you sick lying perverted coward.
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The fact you have me so deeply ingrained inside your head is interesting, Arbie. Do you just need someone to hate to make yourself feel better?

Have you ever been in a real fight or do you just fantasize about them, son?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The fact you have me so deeply ingrained inside your head is interesting, Arbie. Do you just need someone to hate to make yourself feel better?

Have you ever been in a real fight or do you just fantasize about them, son?
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You're a coward. You've always been a coward, you'll always be a coward.
 
RB 60 said:
You're a coward. You've always been a coward, you'll always be a coward.
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Says the great Cat Killer. :laugh:

Fine, Arbie. No one can change your mind except you. Your choice. It's your life to fuck up just like you've done the past 60ish years.
 
Jarod said:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."


These 52 words were presented to the Constitutional Convention by the "Committee on Style" and adopted to be what we call the Preamble to the Constitution. It is as good of a place to start our study of the United States Constitution as any. While there is debate as to the use of the Preamble to establish law and or structure of American government, it is clearly an attempt to set the tone and explain what the document is, how it is to be viewed and the what the document is intended to be and do.

1) "We the People of the United States..." The first seven words show us the class of people who this document applies to... There were several drafts of this portion of the Constitution including "We the people of the various states" as is used in the Articles of Confederation and there was" or "We the People of the various states" and "The People of the united States... (listing them)" as was used in the Treaty of France. It is commonly noted that the drafters did not know how many States would sign on so listing them was a bad idea. The choice of the novel previously unused phrase "We the People of the United States" creates the existence of an actual Nation of people called the United States... Note that they capitalized the phrase "United States" making it an entity on its own. The States are not even mentioned in the preamble.

2) "In Order to form a more perfect Union" - The reason the Constitution was written, and to establish its supremacy over the previous Government created by the Articles of Confederation.

3) "This Constitution..." is also another important phrase, establishing that this is it, the entirety of what is to be considered The Constitution, establishing that it was to be this single document as distinguished from what English Government calls its Document which is a series of Writings and Documents cobbled together to establish the form and structure of their government. The single document Constitution was a novel idea for these former English Subjects.

4) Particularly interesting is the actual power the "Preamble" has had when interpreting the Constitution of the United States, the Supreme Court has used it to illustrate the intent of the framers as to what powers they actually intended to give with the subsequent Articles. In, Berman v. Parker, 348 US 26 (1954) the Court held that the term "promote the general welfare.." illustrates that the writers intended to give the Federal Government powers that enabled them to promote the general welfare, in that case use the right of eminent domain.
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Ironically, general welfare is increased when the government is relatively powerless.
 
To sum up founding fathers:

To promote the general welfare, these following codices are meant to limit the mindless soulless corruption of governmental tyrants, by decisively limiting government power.
 
Jarod said:
Article 1 section 8 provides a list of things the government can do, article 1 section 9 provides a list of things the government cannot do. Are you saying both those lists are exhaustive? Where are the words saying those are the only things they can and cannot do?
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those LIMITED powers are prescribed clearly. Anything NOT in the powers prescribed, they cannot do.
 
evince said:
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gen·​er·​al | \ ˈjen-rəl , ˈje-nə- \
Essential Meaning of general
1 : of, relating to, or affecting all the people or things in a group
They have issued a general warning/order.
a general alarm
: involving or including many or most people
The general mood here is optimistic. [=most people here are optimistic]
The general consensus is that we should go ahead.
It's a story with general interest. = It's a general-interest story. [=it is a story that will interest many or most people]
2 : relating to the main or major parts of something rather than the details : not specific
The witness was able to provide a very general description of the thief.
She began her talk with some general observations about the state of the industry.
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3 —used to indicate that a description relates to an entire person or thing rather than a particular part
The building was in good general shape.
Full Definition of general (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : involving, applicable to, or affecting the whole
2 : involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group
the general equation of a straight line
3 : not confined by specialization or careful limitation
a general outline
4 : belonging to the common nature of a group of like individuals : GENERIC
the general characteristics of a species
5a : applicable to or characteristic of the majority of individuals involved : PREVALENT
the general opinion
b : concerned or dealing with universal rather than particular aspects
6 : relating to, determined by, or concerned with main elements rather than limited details
bearing a general resemblance to the original
7 : holding superior rank or taking precedence over others similarly titled
the general manager
general noun
Definition of general (Entry 2 of 2)
1 : something (such as a concept, principle, or statement) that involves or is applicable to the whole
2 : SUPERIOR GENERAL
3 archaic : the general public : PEOPLE
4a : GENERAL OFFICER
b : a commissioned officer in the army, air force, or marine corps who ranks above a lieutenant general and whose insignia is four stars
— compare ADMIRAL
in general
: for the most part : GENERALLY
In general, things are going as planned.

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across-the-board, blanket, broad-brush, common, generic, global, overall, universal
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individual, particular
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The definition of general
 
evince said:
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wel·​fare | \ ˈwel-ˌfer \
Essential Meaning of welfare
1 : a government program for poor or unemployed people that helps pay for their food, housing, medical costs, etc.
He wants to do away with welfare.
His family is on welfare. [=receiving government assistance]
2 : the state of being happy, healthy, or successful : WELL-BEING
I have your welfare at heart.
The welfare of all the orphans was at stake.
She donates to organizations concerned about animal welfare.
Full Definition of welfare (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
must look out for your own welfare
2a : aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need
b : an agency or program through which such aid is distributed
welfare adjective
Definition of welfare (Entry 2 of 2)
1 : of, relating to, or concerned with welfare and especially with improvement of the welfare of disadvantaged social groups
welfare legislation
2 : receiving public welfare benefits
welfare families

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good, interest, weal, well-being
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The definition of welfare
 
evince said:
1 : of, relating to, or affecting all the people or things in a group
They have issued a general warning/order.
a general alarm
: involving or including many or most people






1 : the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
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Here is the breakdown of both
 
evince said:
relating to, or affecting all the people or things in a group and their state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
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This is what the founders meant by general welfare




THAT IS UNDENIABLE
 
No fucking lying from the republicans can change what the founders intended



It only make you fucking liars
 
Jarod said:
Than why the list of things prohibited?
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just like the Bill of Rights......the framers considered some things so important that they listed them out...........

again, the constitution LIMITS government. It doesn't provide for anything beyond the words listed.

No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights.
 
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