Con Law - Lesson 1 "The Preamble"

evince said:
relating to, or affecting all the people or things in a group and their state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
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This is what they meant



The founders knew the definition of the words they used
 
It’s from Merriam Webster’s you fucking idiot



Those words have the same meaning now as they did when the founders used them nut sack polisher
 
SmarterthanYou said:
evince said:
This is what the founders meant by general welfare

THAT IS UNDENIABLE
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shut your fucking pie hole, stupid bitch.

The founding fathers agreed that the General Welfare Clause is a limitation on the preceding taxation clause and not its own indepen- dent grant of power.
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This link points out that SCOTUS has long ruled consistently on the issue:

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/to-promote-the-general-welfare/
'To Promote the General Welfare'
The national Constitution addresses economic and social rights prominently but with little specificity. The Preamble states that an overriding purpose of the U.S. Constitution is to “promote the general welfare,” indicating that issues such as poverty, housing, food and other economic and social welfare issues facing the citizenry were of central concern to the framers. However, the Bill of Rights has been largely construed to provide procedural mechanisms for fair adjudication of those rights rather than carving out claims on the government to ensure that individuals actually have any social and economic assets to protect. Efforts to convince courts of alternate constitutional interpretations have generally failed. The Supreme Court has ruled, for example, that while the due process clause of the 14th amendment ensures fair processes for welfare recipients, there is no underlying constitutional right to a minimum standard of living. Similarly, the Supreme Court has not found a general right to education derived from the more explicit constitutional guarantees of political participation and equal protection that might be deemed to presuppose an educational baseline.

Many state constitutions, in contrast, articulate positive rights to welfare, health, education, and the right to work...
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Another: .https://law.jrank.org/pages/7116/General-Welfare.html

General Welfare
The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens.

Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution. Promotion of the general welfare is also a stated purpose in state constitutions and statutes. The concept has sparked controversy only as a result of its inclusion in the body of the U.S. Constitution.

The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the TENTH AMENDMENT. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause...
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Sorry, I'm not a fucking lawyer, sea or otherwise, so I let the experts handle whatever looks reasonable. However, I don't abide by liars.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
just like the Bill of Rights......the framers considered some things so important that they listed them out...........

again, the constitution LIMITS government. It doesn't provide for anything beyond the words listed.

No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights.
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this.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Simple but too complicated for you to spell out or because you're the little big-mouthed chickenshit you and I both know you to be?

Complaints about insults on JPP? Are you really such a chickenshit that you can't take a fucking insult on this forum, son?

If you want to suck cock, even your own, that's your business. God Bless America and all single mothers!

Single Mother Statistics
Single motherhood has grown so common in America that today 80 percent of single-parent families are headed by single mothers — nearly a third live in poverty.
About 4 out 10 children were born to unwed mothers. 1 Nearly two-thirds were born to mothers under the age of 30. 2 Today 1 in 6 children under the age of 18 — a total of about 12.5 million — are being raised without a father....

...Around half (49.5%) of single mothers have never married, almost a third (29.9%) are divorced, 20.5% are either separated or widowed. Half have one child, 30% have two. About two thirds are White, one third Black....

...At any one time, about two thirds of single mothers are working outside the home, a slightly greater share than the share of married mothers who are also working outside the home.

However, only half were employed full-time all year long, a quarter (25.9%) were jobless the entire year. 7 Among those who were laid off or looking for work, less than a quarter (22.4%) received unemployment benefits...

...Single mothers earn income that place them well below married mothers in the income ladder. The gap between the two groups is significantly large.

The median income for families led by a single mother in 2019 was about $48,098, well below the $102,308 median for married couples....
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Insult fallacies. Pivot fallacy. Trolling. No argument presented.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
just like the Bill of Rights......the framers considered some things so important that they listed them out...........

again, the constitution LIMITS government. It doesn't provide for anything beyond the words listed.

No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights.
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I agree that they restrained government, but it also enabled government. There is really no basis in the document for your claim that if they didn’t specifically enable it it’s not allowed, Just like there’s no basis for claiming if they didn’t prohibit it’s not prohibited.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Idiot; why the fuck would I want you? Your paranoid fantasies are doing you a disservice, sir.

Squeal for what? You haven't done anything except whine about me. Completely within the rules of JPP.

Sleep tight tonight. I'm off to my game. :thup:
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Insult fallacy. Psychoquackery. Trolling. No argument presented.

Go read rule 14.
 
Jarod said:
Article 1 section 8 provides a list of things the government can do, article 1 section 9 provides a list of things the government cannot do. Are you saying both those lists are exhaustive? Where are the words saying those are the only things they can and cannot do?
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Other than what is added via amendment, Article I, $8 is exhaustive.
 
Jarod said:
I agree that they restrained government, but it also enabled government. There is really no basis in the document for your claim that if they didn’t specifically enable it it’s not allowed, Just like there’s no basis for claiming if they didn’t prohibit it’s not prohibited.
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yes. there is.

powers not expressly given to the federal governement are reserved for the states or for *gasp* the PEOPLE. populism.
 
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