Con Law - Lesson 1 "The Preamble"

[Jarod]

I don't see any references to the 9th in Loving.

You are correct, just read it… I believe they could have used it, but Equal Protection is more solid.

We don’t really have a bright line for the Right to Privacy yet. I think arguments could be made for euthanasia, medication/drugs, movement/travel, diet, if the governments tried to regulate.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I agree. That is why I think the inalienable rights thing is just abstract philosophy with no real meaning in practice. Government can prevent all of its citizens from exercising those rights or anybody else can deprive you of those rights. So, we may be "born" with those rights, but most of us can't exercise them. Our system restricts itself from abridging them but that has not been true of most governments for most of history.

What rights can't some people exercise unless government or someone is blocking them?

 

[Into the Night]

The 10th does not say "expressly given." It says "... powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution..."

The Constitution grants some powers to the central government that are not "expressly" written into the document, such as the implied powers that are necessary and proper for carrying out the delegated powers.

Gobbledegook word semantics. Fallacy.
No, you cannot cancel the 10th amendment that way.

 

[Into the Night]

And "expressly" means what?

RQAA. Stop asking the same question over and over mindlessly. It's been answered multiple times.

 

[Into the Night]

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

 

[Jarod]

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

I agree, but they can be made more secure by one.

 

[Into the Night]

What others are retained by the people?

I always assumed this was just a statement of principle until the court found a right to privacy in Griswold, Roe, and Lawrence as it applies to contraceptives, abortion, and sodomy.

No court has the authority to change the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

The common ideas is "unalienable rights" but both the Democrats and Republicans say that ain't so. Both parties seek to deprive Americans of their rights.

Void argument fallacy.

 

[Jarod]

No court has the authority to change the Constitution.

The people have more rights than are enumerated in the Constitution. One is the right to privacy from government interference in the most personal of decisions one makes for themselves.

 

[Into the Night]

You're obviously not a vet. Why did you choose to never serve? Too busy? Unqualified?

Assumption fallacy via four term fallacy. Belittlement fallacy. Bulverism. Trolling. No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

It's everything except harming another which takes away their unalienable rights.

Why do we need government? The same reason for an HOA; To protect the group? To resolve disputes within the group?

It's why you shouldn't have a right to tell me how many guns I can own or how often I can shoot them but anything I do that endangers others is not a right I or anyone else should possess. A town can ban shooting guns in the city or even waving them around without good cause. A state can ban a company from dumping poison into the drinking water.

It's wrong to forcibly inject someone but requiring a vax to get into a town or other public building if up to the citizens. Businesses have a responsibility to their employees and customers.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

You can't cancel the 2nd amendment or the right of self defense that way.

 

[Into the Night]

That still seems somewhat vague. Is it harming others if I use cocaine which leads to criminal activities? I know the crimes can be punished, but can the use of the cocaine be prohibited because it leads to crime?

Are these still inalienable rights if we have a government which abridges these rights? If I cannot exercise my rights it seems meaningless to say they are inalienable.

Yes, depending on the State you are in.

 

[RB 60]

Says the great Cat Killer.

Fine, Arbie. No one can change your mind except you. Your choice. It's your life to fuck up just like you've done the past 60ish years.

The truth hurts, doesn't it, coward?

Fuck up my life? Shit, I was a master at my craft. It made me a good living. I have lots of friends, many for 40 yrs. I was always a perfectionist, whether on a pool table, a bowling alley, a baseball diamond or a firing line. But more than any of that, I am respected by many, something you'll never experience. Suck it up coward. You're a loser, no matter what you try to say or who you try to bullshit.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

♪♬♪ I'm a little teapot short and stout! ♪♩♬♪

How awesome for you, Sybil.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

♪♬♪ Three little fishies in a ittie bitty pool ♪♩♬♪

What paranoid schizo thinks that's what I said, Sybil?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The truth hurts, doesn't it, coward?

Fuck up my life? Shit, I was a master at my craft. It made me a good living. I have lots of friends, many for 40 yrs. I was always a perfectionist, whether on a pool table, a bowling alley, a baseball diamond or a firing line. But more than any of that, I am respected by many, something you'll never experience. Suck it up coward. You're a loser, no matter what you try to say or who you try to bullshit.

Was. What happened? Injury? Illness? Substance abuse?

It's great that you're a perfectionist in pool, bowling, baseball and on "a firing line". You must be so proud.

Why do you think I'm different from anyone else, Arbie?

 

[Jarod]

That still seems somewhat vague. Is it harming others if I use cocaine which leads to criminal activities? I know the crimes can be punished, but can the use of the cocaine be prohibited because it leads to crime?

Are these still inalienable rights if we have a government which abridges these rights? If I cannot exercise my rights it seems meaningless to say they are inalienable.

It’s stupid to call any right inalienable when a court can take a right away, if a court can sentence someone to death, all rights are alienable.

 

[RB 60]

Was. What happened? Injury? Illness? Substance abuse?

It's great that you're a perfectionist in pool, bowling, baseball and on "a firing line". You must be so proud.

Why do you think I'm different from anyone else, Arbie?

Smart investments and early retirement. Not that it's any of your business.

And you are good at what, lying? Yeah, I'll give you that.

Because you are a cowardly lying loser who baths with his dog and has no friends, or you wouldn't be here all day, every day looking for acceptance.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Smart investments and early retirement. Not that it's any of your business.

And you are good at what, lying? Yeah, I'll give you that.

Because you are a cowardly lying loser who baths with his dog and has no friends, or you wouldn't be here all day, every day looking for acceptance.

You must be very happy.

I'm a fair pilot; all my take offs and landings matched. Every airplane I ever flew was reusable afterwards.

You're a strange little dude, Arbie.

 

[Into the Night]

Was. What happened? Injury? Illness? Substance abuse?

It's great that you're a perfectionist in pool, bowling, baseball and on "a firing line". You must be so proud.

Why do you think I'm different from anyone else, Arbie?

You are a failure. You have no significant accomplishments in your life at all. It's so bad that insulting others makes you somehow feel 'clever'. It's obvious what you are, or more precisely, what you aren't.

You're a nothing.