Confederate Statues

I brought it up, dumbfuck. The American Revolution should be a reference point for any major undertaking that Americans commit to. Not being a patriot, you will never understand the American Revolution.

Being a n-lover, you'll never understand much of anything. You've morphed into one with the 85 IQ that is the average for them.
 
The motives of people putting up monuments are always dubious, I think. At the moment, for instance, a whole small park in London is likely to be taken up with a monument to the Holocaust, which we weren't responsible for, because, as far as one can make out, the tories want Zionist money, or help in smearing Mr Corbyn for being against racist colonialism and murder in Palestine. I'm just old enough to remember the original horror, but most of these people know nothing about it except that it might be used. I think we'd be better without this crap anywhere and everywhere.
 
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My family and friend don't burn books unlike you admitted earlier. Seig Heil Nazi bastard.

I never admitted to burning any books, but I find it wholly interesting that someone who doesn't read books at all (you) would dare try to attack someone else for burning them, when it's the Christians who are the book burners here in the USA.
 
Very few civil war statues were erected after WWI.

Fucking wrong as usual...but lying out of your fat ass isn't something that bothers you. So you just say the stupidest, most idiotic things possible because you know there's no accountability on these boards.

What a fucking coward.

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Sorry but I don't call that well into the 20th century.

You're a fucking idiot who should really just delete this account, and then kill yourself. Nothing you say seems to be right. Almost everything you say here is wrong.
 
We are still awarding posthumously medals to WW II veterans now. 73 years later. It does happen.

Yeah, but they fought for the US, not against it.

Are we awarding posthumous medals to Nazis and Japanese? No. So shut your stupid, fat, fucking face.
 
It''s sad that you can't accept that the thinking and morals were different then and should not be judged using the standards of today.

"Thinking and morals".

There's morality in being a traitor and fighting against your own country?

I bet you think McVeigh needs a memorial too.
 
I never admitted to burning any books, but I find it wholly interesting that someone who doesn't read books at all (you) would dare try to attack someone else for burning them, when it's the Christians who are the book burners here in the USA.

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Hello Oneuli,

It's tempting to immediately condemn those who illegally pull down confederate statues, but it's important to remember the context of that vandalism. At least in North Carolina, a law at the state level has made it effectively impossible for communities to remove such statues by lawful means. Even if a university is uncomfortable with subjecting its students to a monument to white supremacy, they cannot take it down or even move it to a less prominent place without a change of the law at the state level. Similarly, if a community of color doesn't like having to see a defender of slavery honored in their midst, they cannot protect themselves from that eyesore through legal action at the community or even city level. By denying people in those locales usable legal tools for addressing offensive statues, the state has effectively invited extra-legal action by those communities.

Here's an idea for an alternative. As I understand it, the law was worded such that it only made it illegal to take the statue down or to move it to a less prominent place. If that's right, you could simply cover it up. The left has a lot of really talented artists. So, just have some design structures that can be built around the offensive ones, hiding them completely. That could include practical things like little clock towers or obelisks for posting placards. Or it could be other monuments, designed to fit snugly (and maybe irreversibly) over the offensive ones and to send a very different message.

For example, put up a big pedestal, covering the offensive statue, and on top of that put a statue to John Adams Hyman, the first African American Congress member in North Carolina. Or have it feature statues of several black students, representing the first black students at UNC, following court-ordered desegregation. Then the statue hasn't been brought down or moved, so nothing illegal has happened, but it's been transformed from a celebration of white supremacist treason to a celebration of something positive.

All the confederate statues need to be moved off of public property.

All of the schools, streets, counties and cities named for confederate heroes need to be renamed.

These people fought against America.

We hurt ourselves to glorify that.
 
John McCain said, "Americans never hide from our history."

Maybe they could relay that message to the statue snowflakes.
 
What historical significance do these statues, erected by racists for racists, hold?

Will you forget the South lost the Civil War without them?

It's a part of our history. Warts and all to be taught to this and future generations regarding how to NOT to act. We're not to hide from it. Use it to teach a valuable lesson. Or, is this too old-fashioned an idea? American history and world history used to be taught...the good, the bad and the ugly. Statues, battle fields, documents, prominent past historical figures are evidence and an opportunity to instruct as well as to warn. Stick'm all in a museum if kids have become too delicate to handle history in this world.
 
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