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CFM said:
That's not correct. The school voucher would allow the parents to get a subsidy equivalent to the amount of the taxes THEY pay that would go to the public school to use for tuition at any school. People aren't asking for anyone else's money just what they provide so it can be used at a school of their choice even a private school.
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No. If the voucher was only the amount the parent pays in property taxes it would not be enough to pay for private school. It is usually the amount spent per student in that district which is much more than the parent's actual taxes. They average $2,000-5,000 but there are as many variations as states using them. Vouchers do not exempt the parent from still paying taxes. The money goes directly from the government to the private school.

Some are tax credits and others are primarily for low-income families in "failing" schools. Some are for special needs kids because many schools cannot afford programs with all the special needs mandates.

So far, so good. The real problem is that these schools are exempted from many of the state school regulations. This means they may have no standards or financial accountability and non-certified teachers. Many of the charter schools have already closed down after spending money on private homes and high salaries. Some states do require some level of certification and standards but some complain that is interference in raising their child.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/school-vouchers/
 
CFM said:
What those that oppose such a system forget is that if a child isn't in the public school system, there is no cost to the system of educating that student.
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If a class has 30 students and 10 choose to attend private/charter schools, the cost of educating the remaining 20 students is almost the same. The building, teacher, utilities, staff, remain largely fixed.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
first of all they meet the most important standards there are, the approval of the parents of the children they teach.......and that is who they are accountable to......

second.....the public schools of Detroit get tax money paid by me to turn out high school graduates who cannot read.......schools of choice and vouchers are the ultimate accountability......
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So, if the school has no standards and is wasting a lot of money on high salaries and profit but the students/parents are happy with all "A's", the other taxpayers have no recourse? I am not defending public schools, but I am saying many of the private schools are no better and are ripping off the taxpayers. Parents are not the only ones paying taxes.
 
Flash said:
If a class has 30 students and 10 choose to attend private/charter schools, the cost of educating the remaining 20 students is almost the same. The building, teacher, utilities, staff, remain largely fixed.
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so fix the problem.......you seem to think the alternative is that the ten who want to leave should not have an education.......
 
Flash said:
So, if the school has no standards and is wasting a lot of money on high salaries and profit but the students/parents are happy with all "A's"
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that's almost what's happening with the public schools....except for the part about the parents being happy....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
that's almost what's happening with the public schools....except for the part about the parents being happy....
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I agree completely. That is why I don't want to create another expensive racket. At least we know the public schools are failing because they are required to report test scores. Not many public schools are using the money to buy expensive houses and other property. Parents think if students are coming home with A's and B's they must be learning and think there must be something wrong with the standardized tests if their student can't pass.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so fix the problem.......you seem to think the alternative is that the ten who want to leave should not have an education.......
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In many places students who are in a failing school can attend another school of their choice in that district. In places like Houston a large number of students from low performing schools choose to attend schools with better academics even though it probably means the student will graduate lower in their class than the previous school.

Fixing it is not giving money away to schools started by some guy who wants to take advantage of government funding. One way to improve is to require certain standards and financial accountability at the private schools.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
pretty low.....obviously your insinuation is that charter schools do.....I suggest you provide documentation or look like a lying lib'rul......
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Or, I could be a lying conservative.

Do a search of the Houston Chronicle and you will see stories about a charter school that hired relatives and bought expensive properties with the money.
 
Flash said:
In many places students who are in a failing school can attend another school of their choice in that district. In places like Houston a large number of students from low performing schools choose to attend schools with better academics even though it probably means the student will graduate lower in their class than the previous school.

Fixing it is not giving money away to schools started by some guy who wants to take advantage of government funding. One way to improve is to require certain standards and financial accountability at the private schools.
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fixing it is giving EVERY parent with children the right to choose what type of education their children shall receive......why do you pretend there or no standards or accountability at private schools....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
fixing it is giving EVERY parent with children the right to choose what type of education their children shall receive......why do you pretend there or no standards or accountability at private schools....
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Many private schools have high standards and are selective in their admission process. These are being paid for by parents often with partial scholarships.

Once government money because available in the form of Pell Grants, vouchers, and private schools fly-by-night private schools popped up to get that money by recruiting all students with no admission standards and poor educational programs.

Conservatives who think there are a lot of wasteful government programs usually judge these schools only on the "free choice" philosophy and have little knowledge of how these schools are operating in practice. They take much more than someone cheating on food stamps. Many of the colleges are shutting down or merging because of their high rate of defaults on student loans or failure to place students in fields related to their study.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-for-profit-schools-20160912-snap-story.html
 
SmarterthanYou said:
do you imagine that the founders were thinking 'the citizens must always be equally armed as the government, but if technology allows us to be mass murderers on a whim, the 2nd doesn't apply!!!'???????

the fact that the government and courts have denied us the basic power to hold our government at bay, with the slave mindset of the lefts approval, is the ONLY reason why it would be near impossible without serious guerilla warfare.
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I never said it doesn't apply. Go ahead and apply it against the govt when you're good and ready and see how far ya get.
 
Flash said:
No. If the voucher was only the amount the parent pays in property taxes it would not be enough to pay for private school. It is usually the amount spent per student in that district which is much more than the parent's actual taxes. They average $2,000-5,000 but there are as many variations as states using them. Vouchers do not exempt the parent from still paying taxes. The money goes directly from the government to the private school.

Some are tax credits and others are primarily for low-income families in "failing" schools. Some are for special needs kids because many schools cannot afford programs with all the special needs mandates.

So far, so good. The real problem is that these schools are exempted from many of the state school regulations. This means they may have no standards or financial accountability and non-certified teachers. Many of the charter schools have already closed down after spending money on private homes and high salaries. Some states do require some level of certification and standards but some complain that is interference in raising their child.

https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/school-vouchers/
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Never said that amount alone would be enough. However, there are many that could add what would be a lesser amount to it and pay for that private school.

Never said it was an exemption to paying the taxes just that the amount they pay would go to a place the PARENTS decided was best for THEIR kids. Why do you think the government knows more about what's best for someone's kid than the kid's parents?

Those schools have to meet standards in order to receive the same diploma the public school kids get. Whether or not the school is doing what it should be doing is up to the parents not you to decide on someone else's behalf. Personally, I want the teachers and the schools to meet the same standards for graduation, etc. as the public schools. In the end, what they produce is a better educated student because those students don't have to put up with the bullshit lack of discipline many public school students that don't want to be there bring with them because they have to be there but don't want to come.
 
Flash said:
If a class has 30 students and 10 choose to attend private/charter schools, the cost of educating the remaining 20 students is almost the same. The building, teacher, utilities, staff, remain largely fixed.
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No it's not.

That's how they come up with a per pupil amount. It includes all those things. Less pupils, less total amount needed.

By the way, the funding for building the schools and the funding for paying for the operations comes out of two separate pots. Capital expenses and operations expenses are figured differently, funded differently, and spent differently.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
said by a die hard communist seeking liberal........keep pushing....you have no clue about the heartbeat of america and how much they hate both you leftists and rightists
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LOL! Marxist meth addicts like simply have no clue what they're braying about.

Sounds like your pimp's been slapping you around a little to hard lately.
 
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