Connecticut To Give Its Electoral College Votes To National Popular Vote Victor
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It doesn't matter whether or not your vote will affect the outcome. If you quite often vote for Libertarian party candidates, what's the difference between the little "l" and the big "L"? Your argument is of the same mindset as those that support abortion saying being pro choice isn't the same as being pro abortion. When the choice you support is only related to abortion, you're pro abortion. If you vote the way you say you do, there isn't a difference whether you want to call yourself a Libertarian or claim you vote libertarian.
The difference is I don't support the Libertarian Party position/candidates on all issues and dislike their intra-party fights over trivial points. I vote Libertarian partly as unwilling to support candidates like Hillary or Trump. I support the general libertarian philosophy, not the specific party.
I see your point about abortion but don't think it is a good comparison. And, it is not necessarily the same thing. A person can be pro-choice in that they favor individual liberty and oppose government regulation in our private lives and therefore oppose laws prohibiting abortion; but, they would never choose to get an abortion for themselves. Because a person favors legalization of marijuana doesn't mean they plan to use it.
If you support their philosophy and vote, as you say, "often" for them, you support the party.
I find that those claiming to be pro choice when it comes to abortion oppose choice, freedom and liberty on issues such as school CHOICE, whether or not someone has to buy healthcare as with the Obamacare mandate, and being given the CHOICE of whether or not to financially support through social welfare programs those that make life choices they can't afford to pay for themselves.
If you're pro choice only with things like abortion, you're pro abortion.
I support school choice but not vouchers or charter schools they way they are currently operated. They are just more government programs that allow the operators to rip off the taxpayers while offering nothing in return; this applies to those who are just in it for the government money, but there are too many of them.
Vouchers aren't government programs.
What are they? The government (school district, state, federal) gives tax vouchers to parents or schools and the student chooses the school. Too many of the states have no standards these schools must follow (like home-schooled kids) and the schools often cannot account for the funds and many close down.
They are like Pell Grants at the college level. A bunch of fly-by-night colleges (you see their ads on TV regularly) jumped in and only exist because of that money. They have no standards and engage in all kinds of deceptive activities. Even legitimate schools, like open admission community colleges, recruit as many students as possible regardless of their qualifications or motivation. In addition to the grants for tuition the schools get money from the state-so the more students they get the more money. Pass all your students and they keep coming back.
It is a conservative idea that repeats the same government program failures they preach against.
They're allowing the parents to use the taxes they're mandated to pay in a manner the parents, not the government, deem is the best way to educate THEIR kids. Why shouldn't the parents instead of the government make that decision? Do you trust the government to do what's best for you?
Letting parents make the decision is not the issue. It is the parents give the money to schools set up just to take their money. Let their kids play music and wear what they want, no homework, etc. Kids will want to go there are will be happy and tell their parents they love their school. Everybody is happy. Nobody cares if the kids learn nothing. Naturally, many parents will choose schools with higher standards but many will not; especially those who already go to low performing schools with parents who are not involved. And, so many schools will pop up that none will be large enough to have advanced programs.
My description may be somewhat exaggerated, but it is already happening with charter schools and Pell Grants. I taught college for 40 years and had many students who never attended a single class-but they picked up their Pell Grant and had a good time with the cash left after tuition.
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Truthmatters
maybe it was just your classes they were ditching
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Truthmatters
His wasn't a real university. I don't think it qualified for federal funding. He did pay $25 million settlement.
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Truthmatters
its the kind of school your gods called CEOs would give the people
Never thought of that. Actually, I would check with other instructions and drop them from the class so they didn't receive an F. Soon, the school did not let us drop them any longer because they measured "completion rate." An F is a completion but a drop is not. So we let a student mess up his transcript (in case he returns later) in return for more funding.
That's what school choice is about. Letting people that should be making the choices do so. You say you support libertarian ideas yet you speak like the typical Liberal.
That you admit your description is exaggerated discredits it completely.
And you still couldn't get it.
They already do--ever heard of federal loans and Pell Grants for education?
The Ugly Truth
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So, in other words, they are going to say F*CK YOU to their electorate and vote for whoever gets the majority vote. Priceless. When is the next Revolution? It's way past time for one. Lot of political hacks need to be hanged by the neck until they are dead.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
It is not discredited because some schools are like those I cited, but not all of them. I think libertarians oppose governmental programs that allow people to rip off taxpayer money and present substandard education with no standards. It is no different than someone cheating on food stamps or other social welfare programs. They are all cheating taxpayers for financial gain; unfortunately, many of the educational programs are doing nothing illegal.
Charter schools are basically the same thing--they receive state funds to start schools to offer alternatives to the public schools.
I think conservatives are falling for something that sounds ideologically attractive that is a big boondoggle. In higher ed a school has to be accredited to receive Pell Grants (vouchers) and loans. Most of the for-profit private schools cannot meet those accrediting standards and the private school lobby got Congress to approve their own accrediting agency so they could qualify for funding.
Those private for-profit schools go after very low income groups because they know they qualify for aid. They will pay them $500 bucks to sign up for school and financial assistance. They may never attend class but the school gets their money. Many have lawsuits against them because the nursing programs often spend no time in a hospital and those students cannot get jobs when they graduate (or pass the licensing exam).
I don't see how conservatives can defend such wasteful social programs under the name "free choice."