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PostmodernProphet said:
???...its a government program to allow the parents to use the taxes they pay in the manner the parents deem best to educate their kids......
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It's a POLICY that allows the parents to use the taxes they pay in the manner the parents deem best to educated their kids. A government program would be were the government decides. the difference is the government allows it vs. making the decision.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
a deterrent to what, exactly? and we've strayed from the topic at hand.
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See post #214.

I'll help you out since you have a lack of understanding. Both Washington and Jefferson believed that building a military strong enough to get the attention of our would-be enemies would make them think twice about coming against us. Do you know what deter means?

The topic at hand was whether or not the founders believed in having a strong military. You didn't accept that the Constitution, having stated in multiple clauses in Article I, Section 8 things related to the military, was a good enough source indicating that statements from the founding fathers needed to back it up. I provided several indicating they believed in a strong military and that it was one of the few things the federal government should be doing. You still refuse to acknowledge it despite the support you said I wasn't providing.
 
James Madison: “Let a regular army . . . be at the devotion of the federal government. . . . [T]he State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger.”

Alexander Hamilton: “[The] army cannot be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.”

Richard Henry Lee: “To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms.”

Tench Coxe: “As the military . . . might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the [Second Amendment] in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”

Noah Webster: “[T]he whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.”
 
CFM said:
It's a POLICY that allows the parents to use the taxes they pay in the manner the parents deem best to educated their kids. A government program would be were the government decides. the difference is the government allows it vs. making the decision.
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I guess that definition would work, so long as nobody actually has to issue any vouchers or process them so the private schools can receive tax money......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I guess that definition would work, so long as nobody actually has to issue any vouchers or process them so the private schools can receive tax money......
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It's much like the general welfare debate. To some, general welfare equates to social welfare where the government, not only, makes policy but makes the decisions on the behalf of others believing they know more about what's better for that person than the person. To others, general welfare doesn't exclude government policy just the mindset that the government knows more about what's better for you.
 
CFM said:
It's much like the general welfare debate. To some, general welfare equates to social welfare where the government, not only, makes policy but makes the decisions on the behalf of others believing they know more about what's better for that person than the person. To others, general welfare doesn't exclude government policy just the mindset that the government knows more about what's better for you.
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not really......this is about pretending that a program which requires government activity to function is just a policy.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not really......this is about pretending that a program which requires government activity to function is just a policy.....
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Depends on the depth to which the government makes decisions on behalf of others vs. allowing them to make those decisions. Much like general welfare as Liberals see vs. how Conservatives see it.
 
CFM said:
Depends on the depth to which the government makes decisions on behalf of others vs. allowing them to make those decisions. Much like general welfare as Liberals see vs. how Conservatives see it.
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not really......deciding to ignore illegal immigrants has been a policy......issuing vouchers, distributing them and cashing them is a program.......
 
CFM said:
It's a POLICY that allows the parents to use the taxes they pay in the manner the parents deem best to educated their kids. A government program would be were the government decides. the difference is the government allows it vs. making the decision.
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It is a program that allows private schools to get the tax money paid by all taxpayers (not just parents) and operate schools with no standards or accountability.
 
Flash said:
It is a program that allows private schools to get the tax money paid by all taxpayers (not just parents) and operate schools with no standards or accountability.
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That's not correct. The school voucher would allow the parents to get a subsidy equivalent to the amount of the taxes THEY pay that would go to the public school to use for tuition at any school. People aren't asking for anyone else's money just what they provide so it can be used at a school of their choice even a private school.
 
Flash said:
It is a program that allows private schools to get the tax money paid by all taxpayers (not just parents) and operate schools with no standards or accountability.
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first of all they meet the most important standards there are, the approval of the parents of the children they teach.......and that is who they are accountable to......

second.....the public schools of Detroit get tax money paid by me to turn out high school graduates who cannot read.......schools of choice and vouchers are the ultimate accountability......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
first of all they meet the most important standards there are, the approval of the parents of the children they teach.......and that is who they are accountable to......

second.....the public schools of Detroit get tax money paid by me to turn out high school graduates who cannot read.......schools of choice and vouchers are the ultimate accountability......
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The voucher system I support involves a parent only getting the equivalent to what they pay into public school system through taxes so it can be used at a school of their choice. What those that oppose such a system forget is that if a child isn't in the public school system, there is no cost to the system of educating that student.

What it boils down to is those that oppose vouchers know the ones that would use it are those that are doing the majority of the funding for an already failing public system and the ones that would remain couldn't provide enough to the system.
 
CFM said:
The voucher system I support involves a parent only getting the equivalent to what they pay into public school system through taxes so it can be used at a school of their choice. What those that oppose such a system forget is that if a child isn't in the public school system, there is no cost to the system of educating that student.

What it boils down to is those that oppose vouchers know the ones that would use it are those that are doing the majority of the funding for an already failing public system and the ones that would remain couldn't provide enough to the system.
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and I support one in which parents get the equivalent of what the government pays to educate students in the public schools.....to do less does nothing to provide incentive to the public schools.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and I support one in which parents get the equivalent of what the government pays to educate students in the public schools.....to do less does nothing to provide incentive to the public schools.....
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It doesn't cost other taxpayers anything on behalf of another person's child and allows the parents to make decisions that should be left up to the child's best interest.

What I propose should actually save the public school money. For most people, at least where I live, the amount they pay from their property taxes that goes to the public school system is less than than the per pupil spending. If the parents chose to use that equivalent elsewhere, they are taking less out of the public system than it would cost the system if the child attended the public schools. That's a savings to the schools.
 
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