Could Zelensky and Putin start World War III?

My grapevine tends to think that it will be the Americans who start nuclear war, because although we are constantly warring our conventional military is a hollowed out mess....we will have to decide to admit that we lost or we will have to go nuclear.....and the last two years of watching America every day need to decide between admitting that we lost in Ukraine or escalation is a really bad sign for how that would go.
I think Jackson Hinkle is still in Yemen. He wants to be a war correspondent.
 
Russia waited to the last minute to go in with their military....they were watching over the years (including during the Trump years) as NATO built up their army in Ukraine....by early 2022 the Russians evaluated that NATO's Army was ready for their long planned massive strike into Donbass, so they struck first to prevent it

Actually, Ukraine struck first, by attacking the Donbass republics on February 16th, 2022. I know of only a single writer who brought this up, former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, in an article he wrote shortly after Russia's Special Military Operation in Ukraine began. This article can be seen here:

Quoting the most relevant part below:
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In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

Putin himself alluded to what was going on in Donbass on a speech that aired February 24th, 2022, the day Russia started its military operation in Ukraine. Quoting:
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This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

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Full speech:
 
Actually, Ukraine struck first, by attacking the Donbass republics on February 16th, 2022. I know of only a single writer who brought this up, former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, in an article he wrote shortly after Russia's Special Military Operation in Ukraine began. This article can be seen here:

Quoting the most relevant part below:
**
In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

Putin himself alluded to what was going on in Donbass on a speech that aired February 24th, 2022, the day Russia started its military operation in Ukraine. Quoting:
**
This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

**
Full speech:
This conflict started in 2014....was started by the imperial Empire (some combination of CIA/MOSSAD/MI6) overthrowing the Ukrainian government and then leading the Ukrainian NAZI's in constantly abusing Russian speakers.
 
Actually, Ukraine struck first, by attacking the Donbass republics on February 16th, 2022. I know of only a single writer who brought this up, former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, in an article he wrote shortly after Russia's Special Military Operation in Ukraine began. This article can be seen here:

Quoting the most relevant part below:
**
In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

Putin himself alluded to what was going on in Donbass on a speech that aired February 24th, 2022, the day Russia started its military operation in Ukraine. Quoting:
**
This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

**
Full speech:
This conflict started in 2014....was started by the imperial Empire (some combination of CIA/MOSSAD/MI6) overthrowing the Ukrainian government and then leading the Ukrainian NAZI's in constantly abusing Russian speakers.

Agreed. It's just that it seems that Ukraine's once again attacking the Donbass Republics after all their promises of honoring the Minsk agreements was the last straw for Russia. More then anything else, the timing suggests this, with Russia's military operation starting literally days after Ukraine's military attack of the Donbass Republics began.
 
Agreed. It's just that it seems that Ukraine's once again attacking the Donbass Republics after all their promises of honoring the Minsk agreements was the last straw for Russia. More then anything else, the timing suggests this, with Russia's military operation starting literally days after Ukraine's military attack of the Donbass Republics began.
I have been told that the main operation had not started, it was intended to start at the beginning of summer.
 
Grow up, Hawk. I'm just fascinated how you and your ilk will react when Cheeto Jeezus and his acolytes will start another "back door draft".
You say even though I have said that Trump Big Swinging DICK foreign policy will not work, that the world has no interest in seeing anymore chaos and bullying from us.
 
You say even though I have said that Trump Big Swinging DICK foreign policy will not work, that the world has no interest in seeing anymore chaos and bullying from us.
So why are you acting like a moronic MAGA troll and posting nonsense when I point out the absurdity of Dump's bumbling BS regarding Putin and the Ukraine?
 
Agreed. It's just that it seems that Ukraine's once again attacking the Donbass Republics after all their promises of honoring the Minsk agreements was the last straw for Russia. More then anything else, the timing suggests this, with Russia's military operation starting literally days after Ukraine's military attack of the Donbass Republics began.
Thanks for the likes....I am not great at handing them out and I have famously wondered if the reputation score here means anything, and I often get told that reputation mining is a poor use of time.....BUT....


As I said in BABY GiRRRLS! thread I am watching you.....you generally seem to have some idea what is going on and attempt to speak the truth.....unlike almost everyone else at this internet backwater this deeply into this nasty dark age.
 
The Russians are honoring the deal, the Ukrainians are not.

The Bandera's are perfectly willing to destroy everything, as we see with the Ukrainian idea to destroy their own nuclear power plants creating a radiation disaster if they decide that they have lost this war.

The Ukrainians are like rabid dogs....the Russians are the Good Guys.

Rubbish.
 
Remember too that it is highly likely that we are getting ready to drop Nukes on Iran....which would be insane especially because the justification is lie......but that is where we are.

No, we aren't. We're long past needing to resort to nukes for anything. You Russians and your Islamo-Tard allies are the Dark Ages gangster regimes who are relying on kidnapping and hostage diplomacy and making nuclear threats like thugs.
 
Agreed. It's just that it seems that Ukraine's once again attacking the Donbass Republics after all their promises of honoring the Minsk agreements was the last straw for Russia. More then anything else, the timing suggests this, with Russia's military operation starting literally days after Ukraine's military attack of the Donbass Republics began.
I have been told that the main operation had not started, it was intended to start at the beginning of summer.
Oh, sure, that I can certainly believe. I think we can agree that Putin had no intention of waiting until that point, the preliminary assault was more than sufficient to decide he had to act.
 
Oh, sure, that I can certainly believe. I think we can agree that Putin had no intention of waiting until that point, the preliminary assault was more than sufficient to decide he had to act.
The Russians waited as long as they could to take military action against the Imperial Empire.

Then they kicked our ass...something that almost none of the Modern Morons in America have yet figured out.
 
Oh, sure, that I can certainly believe. I think we can agree that Putin had no intention of waiting until that point, the preliminary assault was more than sufficient to decide he had to act.
The Russians waited as long as they could to take military action against the Imperial Empire.

Agreed. Some Russians have now said that Putin should have acted sooner. I don't know about that one- I imagine Putin was thinking of the political headaches involved and I think it definitely looks good that he waited until Ukraine had decided to act militarily first in Ukraine, as it made it quite obvious that Ukraine itself was the one who truly broke the Minsk accords.
 
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