Well, I definitely think the reputation score means something, but I think we can agree that it all depends on -who- is giving you the reputation points. I think everyone has a hierarchy in terms of the importance they give to the views others have of them and their work. Speaking of others, I think the main issue is that a lot of people simply don't go much beyond the western mainstream media and I think we can agree that when it comes to the Ukraine war, the western mainstream media is packed with lies and important omissions.
Could Zelensky and Putin start World War III?
Well, I definitely think the reputation score means something, but I think we can agree that it all depends on -who- is giving you the reputation points. I think everyone has a hierarchy in terms of the importance they give to the views others have of them and their work. Speaking of others, I think the main issue is that a lot of people simply don't go much beyond the western mainstream media and I think we can agree that when it comes to the Ukraine war, the western mainstream media is packed with lies and important omissions.
Just disagreeing by itself doesn't advance the discussion. You need to give reasons as to why you disagree for that to happen.
As I've said in the past, I'm no fan of Trump in general, but I applaud his -efforts- at trying to find a peace deal in Ukraine. I think one of my favourite lines from Trump was when Zelensky and Europe were upset that Trump had started to try to find a peace deal with Putin without their input. The line that stuck was basically "Well you had 3 years!". It's so true. The Biden Administration and its European lackeys did next to nothing in the way of diplomacy for the first 3 years of the war. Trump may lack diplomatic finesse but at least he's trying.
I still believe that Trump is on our side....unlike almost all the rest.
Putin gets all kinds of shit from Russians about going too slow and not being forceful enough against Evil.
He is a moderate, and as a lawyer he is hung up on the law being followed.
I think he is when it comes to Russia. Not wanting to risk nuclear annihilation is such a low bar, but Biden seemed to have trouble with even that -.-
War hawks on both sides of this being so careless with the possibility of nuclear war. I'm definitely happy that unlike said war hawks, Putin -is- cautious on this point.
Ya, and the law means more in Russia than it means in America....something that almost none of these fucks understand.
I am neck deep in brainwashed morons.
I think a good chunk if not most people in the west still believe that Russia was "unprovoked". It brings me a lot of sadness how little people know these days :-/.
They have been raised to be compliant and have been brainwashed their entire lives.
I used to have sympathy but my sympathy tanks are dry.
These victims are willing.
They dont resist.
lol they merely waited for Obama and Biden to get elected. Hardly takes a genius to see that.
Another pot, kettle, black Moment in Hawkeye Land.
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Disagree with that, in that we (AMERICA) will not drop nukes on Iran, since us merely bombing their strategic oil and military
installations without using nukes will suffice in virtually crippling Iran into being just as weak as they were during Trump's first
presidency.
A serious offensive on Russia will take even less time than it took to neutralize the Iraqi military's offensive capabilities., a matter of hours.
Highway of Death, the result of American forces bombing retreating Iraqi forces, Kuwait, 1991 - Rare Historical Photos
Allied forces bombed them from the air, killing hundreds of troops in their vehicles in what became known as the “Highway of Death”.
rarehistoricalphotos.com
On Sunday 24, February 1991, allied forces launched a combined ground, air, and sea assault which overwhelmed the Iraqi army within 100 hours.
The whole ground war only lasted four days and a fifth day would have probably meant the fall of Saddam Hussein’s government.
Russia's military is less well supplied than Iraq's was, so figure about 15 hours instead of 100.
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NiftyNiblick
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Russia was indeed unprovoked if we're talking legitimate provocation.
What Putin regards as provocative means nothing in the logical world.
First of all, I'd like to see if we can agree on what actions the United States and NATO engaged in prior to Russia's military operation began. I've gone over this before and you may be familiar with the gist of it, so I'll just present some articles to back up my main points.
1- The United States helped organize a coup against the elected President of Ukraine back in 2014, Viktor Yanukovych, which resulted in him fleeing for his life to Russia. Source:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
off-guardian.org
2- Following the coup, politicians on the far right and even neo Nazis in Ukraine took control. Their influence led to such things such as the almost immediate vote to remove Russian as an official language used in government buildings and schools in eastern Ukraine. While initially blocked by a holdout from Yanukovych's government, it was later implemented.
3- The events that took place in points 1 and 2 led to Crimeans holding a referendum to rejoin Russia, which won overwhelmingly. Russia accepted Crimeans' request and allowed Crimea to rejoin Russia. The Donbass regions of Donetsk and Luhansk started protests and takeovers of government buildings, similar to what happened during Euromaidan, but in this case, in support of more independence from Ukraine, seeing as Ukraine's new goverment had become decidedly anti-Russian, including the Russian language, which many eastern Ukrainians use as their primary language.
4- A civil war ensued, wherein thousands of eastern Ukrainians were killed. Zelensky is voted in as the new Ukrainian President on the promise of working out a peace deal with the rebels and Russia, who was not pleased at this slaughter of Russian speakers and ethnic Russians. Unfortunately, the far right, in conjunction with U.S. warhawks, provide no support for a peace deal and Zelensky changes tack. A good article on this:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
scheerpost.com
5- Literally days before Russia's military operation in Ukraine began, Ukraine begins bombarding the eastern Ukrainian rebels in the Donbass region. Even before this starts, Russia's parliament asks Putin to recognize the Donbass Republics, probably hoping to protect them from this attack. While Putin initially refuses, he finally agrees to Parliament's request and recognizes the Donbass Republics on February 21, 2022. The bombardments continue, however, and so on February 24, 2022, Putin decides to start his special military operation in Ukraine. To date, the best and pretty much only written description that I have seen of these tumultuous days prior to Russia's military operation is from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud, in an article he published shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. It can be seen here:
Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative
Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.
scheerpost.com
My absolute favourite part of this article when it comes to presenting evidence of how Russia was provoked is quoted below:
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In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.
If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.
That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.
The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.
In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.
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Russia has the best Army on the planet.A serious offensive on Russia will take even less time than it took to neutralize the Iraqi military's offensive capabilities., a matter of hours.
Highway of Death, the result of American forces bombing retreating Iraqi forces, Kuwait, 1991 - Rare Historical Photos
Allied forces bombed them from the air, killing hundreds of troops in their vehicles in what became known as the “Highway of Death”.
On Sunday 24, February 1991, allied forces launched a combined ground, air, and sea assault which overwhelmed the Iraqi army within 100 hours.
The whole ground war only lasted four days and a fifth day would have probably meant the fall of Saddam Hussein’s government.
Russia's military is less well supplied than Iraq's was, so figure about 15 hours instead of 100.
You have no idea what is going on.
Nukes are the only way, if there is any way, to take out Irans vast underground missile cities...if they are not destroyed the response to an Imperial Empire strike will be devastating.
I have been told that the strike will be an attempt at decapitating the Regime, under the theory that its replacement would be more willing to do as they are told.....A theory that I am not aware of any evidence for.....the Empire has a replacement in mind but I dont know that they would be able to get it installed.