Court rejects 'Roe v. Wade for Men'

Choice -- For women only.

Women have choices, men have responsibilities.
Face it.

Society is better off if men pay for their progeny whether they wanted them or not. Regardless of the "unfair" choice that somebody else may make it is simply better for us all than it is to disregard our progeny and refuse to be responsible for the actual result.

On the one hand some want abortions to be illegal, then there is an attempt to make irrepsonsibility court-ordered? We are one messed up society if this were to be the case.
 
I think what Asshat was trying to say is that once a woman becomes pregnant she is the ONLY one that gets to choose what happens to the child.

Abortion? Woman gets to say yes or no, Man gets no say. This is unequal in the sense that the man may want the child and the woman can say no. Why not give the man the same ability to say HE will raise and care for the child? What is so unfair or patriarchal about that?

Because Women get the choice to take the pregnancy to term or to terminate, the man has absolutely no say as to his future. Will he get to raise his child? Will he have to pay child support that he may not be in a position to pay at the time the child is born and thus the rest of his life is limited because he has to work full time jobs that limit his ability to get a better education?

So many women say he made his choice when he chose to have sex without thought of the consequences later on down the road. But that is a two way street. Unless she was raped the woman had the EXACT same choice. This argument is meritless. I actually think that women have asked for a pass in this department and somehow a lot of us have bought in to it.

I am pro-choice because I know the historical consequences in counties that have regulated pregnancy and required woman to have children. One need only look at communist Romania under Nicolae Ceauşescu. They forced woman to remain pregnant, abortion was punishable by prison and yet a country of 25 million only had 300K abortions less that the US every year and when Romania collapsed the burden of children in state run orphanages was tremendous.

All that being said, pregnancy is the one place where a mans choices end at ejaculation while woman have the choice to keep or have the child.


Its her body, Soc.
 
Its her body, Soc.
I am aware that it is her body and I having just discussed this with my girlfriend, I am of the belief that the system we have now is the only viable one. By biggest problem with the disparity though is NOT where most of you might think. I don't have a problem with the man paying support, because as Damo has pointed out society is better for it. My problem is that men who want the child have no choice either. Even he was willing to raise the child.
 
I don't understand what paternity tests have to do with this. Did they guy deny the child was his? I was under the impression that he simply didn't want to have a child, but got his girlfriend pregnant anyway.


Yeah, that would be the reason for the first comment, i.e., "Not really relevant to this case."

I was just commenting that the man having to demand a paternity test forcea him to choose between two options both having possible negative consequences.
 
Soc, I understand the sentiment, but the man's body is out of the loop once the seed is planted. Therefore, his choices end there.
 
I am aware that it is her body and I having just discussed this with my girlfriend, I am of the belief that the system we have now is the only viable one. By biggest problem with the disparity though is NOT where most of you might think. I don't have a problem with the man paying support, because as Damo has pointed out society is better for it. My problem is that men who want the child have no choice either. Even he was willing to raise the child.
Another reason for what I hope will become the future. Rather than abortion, removing the fetus with an effort to save its life. Some day the father could choose to "have" the child as it would incubate ex utero.
 
Another reason for what I hope will become the future. Rather than abortion, removing the fetus with an effort to save its life. Some day the father could choose to "have" the child as it would incubate ex utero.

Yes...and six whole men will make that choice.
 
Yes...and six whole men will make that choice.
Disparage men if you will. I think it would be far more than that. There are many, many very sad men who wander around feeling guilt for an abortion they never supported who would gladly have raised the child given that option.
 
Disparage men if you will. I think it would be far more than that. There are many, many very sad men who wander around feeling guilt for an abortion they never supported who would gladly have raised the child given that option.

Yeah, sure, tons of them.
 
Another reason for what I hope will become the future. Rather than abortion, removing the fetus with an effort to save its life. Some day the father could choose to "have" the child as it would incubate ex utero.

Its a woman's body. It's her choice.
 
Yeah, sure, tons of them.
I'm glad you agree. Rather than dismissing a real reason for depression and some suicidal ideation it is nice that you show compassion for people who you previously didn't want to admit existed.
 
Its a woman's body. It's her choice.
Reading Comprehension...

Ex utero would be "outside the body"... Please keep up. If you can't comprehend the conversation please do not pipe up with "witty" remarks like this bumpersticker idiocy.
 
Yeah, sure, tons of them.

You really got to get out more and date some non-Liberal men, many of them believe it or not actually want to be fathers and raise kids.
I know weird huh? It's ok I used to live in the Liberal Democrat run inner city too and once thought that most men were like that too.
 
You really got to get out more and date some non-Liberal men, many of them believe it or not actually want to be fathers and raise kids.
I know weird huh? It's ok I used to live in the Liberal Democrat run inner city too and once thought that most men were like that too.

LOL

Yeah, sure.

You have no idea what you are talking about, because the men I have in mind were not liberals.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/wayoflife/11/06/fatherhood.ap/index.html

LANSING, Michigan (AP) -- A federal appeals court has upheld the dismissal of a lawsuit nicknamed "Roe v. Wade for Men" filed by a men's rights group on behalf of a man who said he shouldn't have to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.
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Excuse me? His "ex-girlfriend's daughter"?

OH NOEZER?!!?!
 
I think what Asshat was trying to say is that once a woman becomes pregnant she is the ONLY one that gets to choose what happens to the child.

Abortion? Woman gets to say yes or no, Man gets no say. This is unequal in the sense that the man may want the child and the woman can say no. Why not give the man the same ability to say HE will raise and care for the child? What is so unfair or patriarchal about that?

Because Women get the choice to take the pregnancy to term or to terminate, the man has absolutely no say as to his future. Will he get to raise his child? ......

I think the basis of said argument is going to always be flawed. You're trying to apply equality of rights to pregnancy when pregnancy in itself isn't equal by any means. If both parties had the ability to carry the child to term or both had the ability to gestate, then yes, if the woman's choice always trumped the mans then As$munch would have a point. But pregancy isn't equal and it will always be the woman's job to do more than the lionshare of the work. There shouldn't be equal choices because there aren't equal partners in carrying the fetus.

Parenting however is another story.
 
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