Critique of the Communist Manifesto

[goat]

Sure. Capitalism is creation of wealth. It requires no government to implement.

It is the average schmoe finding a way to provide a service or product that people are willing to trade (or pay) for. It is, quite literally, service to others.
Providing that service or product is creating wealth.

60 words.

Examples of capitalism are the personal computer industry, created literally out of nothing but initiative and drive, the web and the cloud and all the wonderful things it's capable of, the automotive industry providing cars that people want, the baker on the street corner selling tasty treats to passerby, or guys like me, that make instrumentation for industrial, medical, and aerospace applications.

Each person providing that product or service may hire employees to help him. Each employee is also a 'business' in his own right, offering his service to his employer for an agreed upon price. The more skilled an employee is, the more he is worth in the market. Buyers (employers) want the best value for their dollar, just as you do.

capitalism is in direct opposition to democracy.
capitalism is corporate socialism dependent on bailouts.
capitalism turns humans into commodities to be bought for the cheapest price.

How many words is that?

 

[Minister of Truth]

Mockery. Buzzword fallacy. Denial of logic. Denial of philosophy.

One of us is denying philosophy, to be sure.

 

[Minister of Truth]

capitalism is in direct opposition to democracy.
capitalism is corporate socialism dependent on bailouts.
capitalism turns humans into commodities to be bought for the cheapest price.

How many words is that?

Market liberalism comes from the same tree of philosophy as political, social, and cultural liberalism, wherein democracy is generally a component.

I can certainly think of another model which turns humans into commodities, and where there is certainly no democracy.

 

[goat]

Market liberalism comes from the same tree of philosophy as political, social, and cultural liberalism, wherein democracy is generally a component.

I can certainly think of another model which turns humans into commodities, and where there is certainly no democracy.

True capitalism would not allow for a federal reserve or bailouts. If a business cannot compete it goes bankrupt. Our founders did their best to limit corporations because they knew oligarchs would eventually own every politician.

Negative interest rates means a default of the system and end of free market capital. We're in a social, political, and economic breakdown and our solution is to add more zeros to our electronic fiat currency. Something's gotta give.

 

[Minister of Truth]

True capitalism would not allow for a federal reserve or bailouts. If a business cannot compete it goes bankrupt. Our founders did their best to limit corporations because they knew oligarchs would eventually own every politician.

Negative interest rates means a default of the system and end of free market capital. We're in a social, political, and economic breakdown and our solution is to add more zeros to our electronic fiat currency. Something's gotta give.

If it's about the true believers (like libertarians and objectivists), I don't know of any who support bailouts or the fed.

 

[goat]

If it's about the true believers (like libertarians and objectivists), I don't know of any who support bailouts or the fed.

Libertarian and objectivist is a nice way to say fiscal anarchist. That is what led to the social anarchy we are starting to see in the streets. My argument is that worldwide social anarchy will get a lot worse until we are beaten down or get some concession. The food riots of 1931 gave us the New Deal so militarized police won't allow that to happen again unless white christian suburbia finds a conscience.

 

[Into the Night]

capitalism is in direct opposition to democracy.

Not at all. Capitalism can work in a democracy. It can even work in dictatorships and oligarchies, which democracies typically dissolve into in a short time. There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world. Capitalism is not a form of government, and requires no government to function.

capitalism is corporate socialism dependent on bailouts.

Capitalism is not socialism. Socialism is not capitalism.

capitalism turns humans into commodities to be bought for the cheapest price.

Apparently you've never heard of price discovery in markets. Human beings are not commodities. The things they manipulate and use are commodities. Things like food, water, gold, oil, etc.

How many words is that?

You can't count?

 

[Into the Night]

Market liberalism comes from the same tree of philosophy as political, social, and cultural liberalism, wherein democracy is generally a component.

Word salad. Try English. It works better.

I can certainly think of another model which turns humans into commodities, and where there is certainly no democracy.

Human beings are not commodities. They manipulate commodities. Again...try English. it works better.

 

[Into the Night]

True capitalism

True Scotsman fallacy.

would not allow for a federal reserve

Capitalism has nothing to do with whether there is a central bank or a fiat currency. It should be noted, however, that the Fed is an oligarch, and it not capitalism.

or bailouts.

Socialism is not capitalism. Capitalism is not socialism.

If a business cannot compete it goes bankrupt.

At which point it's usually sold to someone that has a better chance of running it better.

Our founders did their best to limit corporations because they knew oligarchs would eventually own every politician.

An oligarchy is dictatorship by committee. That's a form of government. It is nothing else. Oligarchies exist in America. They are things like the Fed, the NEA, the EPA, the CPSC, and a whole host of other government agencies. None of these are constitutional.

Negative interest rates means a default of the system

Define 'the system'.

Negative interest rates simply mean people no longer trust a currency much.

and end of free market capital.

Not at all. Capitalism doesn't require any particular currency.

We're in a social, political, and economic breakdown

In many ways, true. Thank the Democrats.

and our solution is to add more zeros to our electronic fiat currency.

Which obviously is not a solution.

Something's gotta give.

It's already happening. People are already searching around for another currency. Once one is decided upon by the people, the switch will happen almost overnight. No government can stop this.

So far Bitcoin seems to be gaining favor for day to day transactions (it's already rather popular in Japan, and gaining popularity here), while gold, real property, diamonds, fine art, etc. seem to be gaining favor as a store of wealth.

It remains to be seen which way things will go.

 

[Into the Night]

Libertarian and objectivist is a nice way to say fiscal anarchist. That is what led to the social anarchy we are starting to see in the streets. My argument is that worldwide social anarchy will get a lot worse until we are beaten down or get some concession. The food riots of 1931 gave us the New Deal so militarized police won't allow that to happen again unless white christian suburbia finds a conscience.

The looting and pillaging in the streets is being done by violent mobs supported and funded by the Democrat party.

 

[goat]

It's already happening. People are already searching around for another currency. Once one is decided upon by the people, the switch will happen almost overnight. No government can stop this.

So far Bitcoin seems to be gaining favor for day to day transactions (it's already rather popular in Japan, and gaining popularity here), while gold, real property, diamonds, fine art, etc. seem to be gaining favor as a store of wealth.

It remains to be seen which way things will go.

Bitcoin is an asset, not a currency. Once it is widely accepted as a currency, the US will squash it like a bug. Bitcoin shows the world that anarchy can work so the oligarchs need it to fail to keep control over the masses.

This is the only thought you had worth responding to. Why make it so difficult to have a conversation with you?

 

[Into the Night]

Bitcoin is an asset, not a currency. Once it is widely accepted as a currency, the US will squash it like a bug. Bitcoin shows the world that anarchy can work so the oligarchs need it to fail to keep control over the masses.

This is the only thought you had worth responding to. Why make it so difficult to have a conversation with you?

No, Bitcoin is a currency.
The US has no choice on whether people want to use Bitcoin as a currency or not.
Bitcoin is not anarchy. It's a currency. You seem to have real trouble with English.

 

[goat]

No, Bitcoin is a currency.
The US has no choice on whether people want to use Bitcoin as a currency or not.
Bitcoin is not anarchy. It's a currency. You seem to have real trouble with English.

Bitcoin is the lifeblood of anarchy, that's why the US will squash it. You think people are going to barter or carry around gold? You argue over the simplest of facts.

Explain how the federal reserve and capitalist system can survive negative interest rates.

 

[Into the Night]

Bitcoin is the lifeblood of anarchy.

No, Bitcoin is a currency. Nothing more. Nothing less.

that's why the US will squash it.

They can't.

You think people are going to barter or carry around gold?

No, silver usually is used for day to day transactions when gold and silver are used as currency.

You argue over the simplest of facts.

Inversion fallacy.

Explain how the federal reserve and capitalist system can survive negative interest rates.

They are not the same thing. I have already answered both questions. RQAA.

 

[goat]

They are not the same thing. I have already answered both questions. RQAA.

You pulled the answers out of your ass. I gave you a second chance to make some sense. The entire system will collapse without all that monopoly money going to the banksters. Negative interest rates is a sure sign the system is in default. Prove me wrong with economic theory instead of an opinion from your ass.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Libertarian and objectivist is a nice way to say fiscal anarchist. That is what led to the social anarchy we are starting to see in the streets. My argument is that worldwide social anarchy will get a lot worse until we are beaten down or get some concession. The food riots of 1931 gave us the New Deal so militarized police won't allow that to happen again unless white christian suburbia finds a conscience.

Yeah, we have a real lack of government presence in contemporary America. Also, there are numerous countries on this Earth which aren't founded on liberalism, and are therefore "compassionate."

 

[Lightbringer]

Bitcoin is the lifeblood of anarchy, that's why the US will squash it. You think people are going to barter or carry around gold? You argue over the simplest of facts.

Explain how the federal reserve and capitalist system can survive negative interest rates.

Bitcoin is for fucking idiots. That game is rigged from the very beginning.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Word salad. Try English. It works better.

Human beings are not commodities. They manipulate commodities. Again...try English. it works better.

I can't make you understand what political, social, cultural, and market liberalism are. It's not like we live in a fucking liberal democracy, or anything.

Tell that to the Marxists. They understand commodities as well as you understand liberalism.

 

[goat]

Yeah, we have a real lack of government presence in contemporary America. Also, there are numerous countries on this Earth which aren't founded on liberalism, and are therefore "compassionate."

Anarchy is a result of big government. 21st century anarchy takes time to explain. Bitcoin is a good start. It's about free will in spite of the presence of a corrupt government. Most of us smoked cannabis before it became legal.

White christian suburbia aids and abets the status quo.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Anarchy is a result of big government. 21st century anarchy takes time to explain. Bitcoin is a good start. It's about free will in spite of the presence of a corrupt government. Most of us smoked cannabis before it became legal.

White christian suburbia aids and abets the status quo.

1) Big government jealously guards against anarchy.

2) Suburbia upholds the Constitution. That's why Marxists like you hate it and the middle class.