Death Penalty, will this help make America great again?

[Adolf_Twitler]

That's my biggest objection to the death penalty -- executing the wrong person. Also, it appears that it is applied unfairly and that a disproportionate number of death row inmates are mentally challenged, poor, and/or non-white.

Jailed but Innocent: Record Number of People Exonerated in 2015

In all, 149 people spent an average of 15 years in prison before being cleared last year, according to a new report (.pdf) out Wednesday from the National Registry of Exonerations, a project at the University of Michigan Law School.

The convictions ranged from lower level offenses, such as 47 drug crimes, to major felonies, including 54 murder convictions that were overturned. Five of the convicts were awaiting execution, and were saved last year when courts ruled they didn't belong in the prison in the first place.

Of the people wrongly convicted for homicides, the report notes, "more than two-thirds were minorities, including half who were African American."

Twenty-seven of the innocent convicts falsely confessed to their crimes, a group comprised mainly of children or the mentally handicapped, according to the report.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jailed-innocent-record-number-people-exonerated-2015-n510196

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It should raise many concerns of the public about how prosecutors care more about resting cases than they do about resolving murder cases and insuring the guilty are in fact the ones guilty.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

That's my biggest objection to the death penalty -- executing the wrong person. Also, it appears that it is applied unfairly and that a disproportionate number of death row inmates are mentally challenged, poor, and/or non-white.

Actually, the racism involved in the death penalty isn't about who gets executed. It's about who the victim was. A person convicted of killing a white person is significantly more likely to receive a death sentence than a person convicted of killing a black person.

 

[Trumpet]

There should be no logical reason for holding someone on death row for years and years.

Make America Great Again Dump Trump.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

Who gives a shit if the one needing to be executed suffers?

The authors of the Constitution?

 

[CFM]

The authors of the Constitution?

In what way?

 

[CFM]

So true; it is hard to fathom that this is the party that defends criminality and the murder of unborn children, and who want to save the lives of guilty murderers.

They have no problem supporting the "death penalty" for the innocent unborn yet get completely twisted when a guilty person is executed.

They've gone as far as trying to justify abortion claiming it's not a real human.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

In what way?

8th Amendment. Prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. It's perfectly fine to execute someone, but causing unnecessary suffering isn't allowed. I personally don't care if a baby rapist suffers excessively, but constitutionally it's a no no.

 

[CFM]

Absolutely.

Someone who raped a baby to death, should be attached to a machine and slowly raped to death.

Those doing something like that aren't concerned with their victim(s) suffering.

 

[CFM]

8th Amendment. Prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. It's perfectly fine to execute someone, but causing unnecessary suffering isn't allowed. I personally don't care if a baby rapist suffers excessively, but constitutionally it's a no no.

I'm well aware of what the 8th Amendment says. For someone that, using your example, raped a baby, there is no such thing as unnecessary or excessive. Whatever is done to them doesn't come close to being cruel and unusual.

 

[Gonzomin]

Death penalty nations are mostly 3rd world or strict Muslim ones. That is who the right is most like. 4.1 percent of those convicted of capital crimes are wrongly convicted. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/ The most civilized nations eliminate the death penalty or just stop using it. It says so much about people when they want to kill others. You killed someone. That was wrong. We will kill you. That is right.

 

[Bill]

There should be no logical reason for holding someone on death row for years and years.

Maybe not, but that is what we got..... That is the reality...

There have been many (death row) cases, several years old overturned for various reasons but had their "justice" been swift their dismissal/pardon would have been given posthumously..

It their is no doubt, they confess-NP, but that is less common...

 

[Bill]

That's my biggest objection to the death penalty -- executing the wrong person. Also, it appears that it is applied unfairly and that a disproportionate number of death row inmates are mentally challenged, poor, and/or non-white.

Yep.. I use to be all for it.

But the reality of these courts can be/is dismal, as is enforcement of the law.

IMHO to be for it, you are relying on those, questionable police/judges/juries etc..........

 

[Bill]

Easy solution. Don't hold them on death row for years. Get the job done when it needs to be done.

See explanations above

 

[Bill]

Absolutely.

Someone who raped a baby to death, should be attached to a machine and slowly raped to death.

Of course, in a case like that, proven/confessed not shedding a tear or GAF about his pain, it often isn't so cut & dry though..

 

[Bill]

Death penalty nations are mostly 3rd world or strict Muslim ones. That is who the right is most like. 4.1 percent of those convicted of capital crimes are wrongly convicted. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/ The most civilized nations eliminate the death penalty or just stop using it. It says so much about people when they want to kill others. You killed someone. That was wrong. We will kill you. That is right.

Sadly there are many here that hate Islam(& most things) but love them some of that sharia law~applied to others.. They wouldn't want their hand chopped for taking some grapes in the store, others, well, they got it coming

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

IMHO to be for it, you are relying on those, questionable police/judges/juries etc..........

I've slowly changed my thinking over the years about it as well. If we execute an innocent man or woman, are we any different than the murderer we want to remove?

That being said, there are crimes so heinous, and criminals so apt to continue to kill even behind bars, that they need to be removed from this world -- as long as we are certain of their guilt.

 

[CFM]

See explanations above

That's not an explanation. That's an excuse by someone that cares more for the guilty POS that needs to be executed than the innocent victim(s) of that POS.

 

[CFM]

I've slowly changed my thinking over the years about it as well. If we execute an innocent man or woman, are we any different than the murderer we want to remove?

That being said, there are crimes so heinous, and criminals so apt to continue to kill even behind bars, that they need to be removed from this world -- as long as we are certain of their guilt.

Contrary to the beliefs by those that oppose the death penalty altogether, those of us that support it agree with you about being absolutely certain. To think that those of us who support it want to execute an innocent person is foolish. The problem with those that oppose it is they oppose it even when it's absolutely certain.

 

[Bill]

I've slowly changed my thinking over the years about it as well. If we execute an innocent man or woman, are we any different than the murderer we want to remove?

That being said, there are crimes so heinous, and criminals so apt to continue to kill even behind bars, that they need to be removed from this world -- as long as we are certain of their guilt.

Agreed 100% the "certain" is the tricky part, but sometimes it is pretty cut & dry...

 

[Bill]

That's not an explanation. That's an excuse by someone that cares more for the guilty POS that needs to be executed than the innocent victim(s) of that POS.

This is an adult conversation..... If you can't follow along & keep up, then keep quite.... thnx