Democrats expected to bring voting rights protections bill to Senate

T. A. Gardner said:
Congress does have a constitutional right to set standards but most of that process is left up to the states. See Article I section 4.
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Not really, Article 1, Section 4 reads "elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations"
 
archives said:
Not really, Article 1, Section 4 reads "elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations"
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In other words, Congress can change the rules for federal elections. That they can do. What they can't do is tell the states how to run their internal elections, although HR 1 and 3 that the Democrats want to pass does exactly that.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Because Trump is an obstinate troll. Al Gore rolled over because he's a pansy Leftist...
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I do believe that most see it as Gore conceding to preserve the American tradition that makes out democracy so unique, the smooth transition of power from one party to the next, while Trump didn't give a shit about the Nation's institutions but rather was only concerned with Trump

And given that a majority of the GOP still thinks Trump won the election and support the Big Lie means they themselves doubt the integrity and security of elections in their own Red States
 
anonymoose said:
And that's the problem. HR1 is meant to give voting rights to anybody, non-citizens, the underaged, no verification of identity. Just "anybody that wants to vote."
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Cite the provision(s) that allows non-citizens and under-aged to vote.
 
Flash said:
Cite the provision(s) that allows non-citizens and under-aged to vote.
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Part 10--Voter Registration of Minors

Sec. 1094. Acceptance of voter registration applications from
individuals under 18 years of age.
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text

Registration of non-citizens:

This happens indirectly as shown here in Title I, part 2, section 1012:

One-Time Registration of Voters Based on Existing Contributing
Agency Records.--The chief State election official shall--
(1) identify all individuals whose information is
transmitted by a contributing agency pursuant to section 1014
and who are eligible to be, but are not currently, registered
to vote in that State;
(2) promptly send each such individual written notice, in
addition to other means of notice established by this part,
which shall not identify the contributing agency that
transmitted the information but shall include--
(A) an explanation that voter registration is
voluntary, but if the individual does not decline
registration, the individual will be registered to
vote;
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Unless you think that someone here illegally who is applying for a driver's license in a state that allows illegals to have a driver's license is willingly going to tell a government agent that they are in the country illegally... They get registered to vote if they don't decline with a reason.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In other words, Congress can change the rules for federal elections. That they can do. What they can't do is tell the states how to run their internal elections, although HR 1 and 3 that the Democrats want to pass does exactly that.
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No, Congress can alter any election procedure, the Civil Rights Voting legislation being a good example
 
T. A. Gardner said:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text

Registration of non-citizens:

This happens indirectly as shown here in Title I, part 2, section 1012:

Unless you think that someone here illegally who is applying for a driver's license in a state that allows illegals to have a driver's license is willingly going to tell a government agent that they are in the country illegally... They get registered to vote if they don't decline with a reason.
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They don't have to tell them they are here illegally, only that they are non-citizens anddon't qualify to vote.

Currently registered voters who receive a jury subpoena contact the county that they are not eligible to serve as jurors because they are not citizens. Most of these are not illegal.

Non-citizens (illegal or legal) can register to vote and as long as they check the "U. S. Citzen" box they are registered unless the county has information to the contrary. The Voting Rights Act says applicants cannot be required to show proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections.

"A federal appellate court ruled today that Kansas and Arizona may not force applicants using the federal voter registration form to show documents proving their citizenship when registering to vote in federal races."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...as-and-arizona-proof-citizenship-laws-federal

I think on the under-aged thing they cannot vote until they are 18 but they can register so they can vote when they turn 18.
 
Flash said:
Except that it deals with a lot more issues than just registration. It essentially federalizes elections.
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I don't mind federalizing elections but only to improve the integrity. HR1 appears to make elections more lax and prone to inaccuracies.
 
Flash said:
They don't have to tell them they are here illegally, only that they are non-citizens anddon't qualify to vote.
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Do you really think some illiterate from Central America will know the difference? Hell, it's more likely the DMV clerk won't even bother to ask as it just makes their job more difficult.

Currently registered voters who receive a jury subpoena contact the county that they are not eligible to serve as jurors because they are not citizens. Most of these are not illegal.
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Got news for you... In most of the US jury notices are not done off voter rolls. They certainly aren't in Arizona.

How Are Potential Jurors Chosen in Arizona?

The first stage in jury selection is summoning a pool of potential jurors from the list of local citizens eligible to serve on a jury in Arizona, as described above.

Master list of jurors is made up of Department of Motor Vehicles of Arizona and voter registration records.
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All you need is a driver's license.

Prospective jurors drawn from list and mailed questionnaire or summons, and reviewed to establish juror eligibility pursuant to statute.
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So? What does that have to do with voter registration?

Non-citizens (illegal or legal) can register to vote and as long as they check the "U. S. Citzen" box they are registered unless the county has information to the contrary. The Voting Rights Act says applicants cannot be required to show proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections.
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Sounds like a major problem to me. Why should we have a system that allows an illegal or foreign national to even get so far in the registration process?

I think on the under-aged thing they cannot vote until they are 18 but they can register so they can vote when they turn 18.
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Teenagers are stupid. What happens when one (however many) decides to vote anyway? It's insane to register them to vote when they can't vote.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So? What does that have to do with voter registration?

Sounds like a major problem to me. Why should we have a system that allows an illegal or foreign national to even get so far in the registration process?

Teenagers are stupid. What happens when one (however many) decides to vote anyway? It's insane to register them to vote when they can't vote.
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States often use voter registration rolls to choose the jury pool. When sent their subpoena they claim they are not citizens and therefore cannot serve on a jury; yet, they were registered voters. It is a problem for courts seeking jurors.

Yes, it is a problem. The law needs to be changed so states can require proof of citizenship when people register (if for federal elections). I was a teacher and gave extra credit for registering to vote. I had two Asian sisters who presented me with their registration certificate although they were not citizens. They just checked the box.

The teenager's voter registration information contains their birth date and they would not be allowed to vote unless they turned 18.
 
Flash said:
States often use voter registration rolls to choose the jury pool. When sent their subpoena they claim they are not citizens and therefore cannot serve on a jury; yet, they were registered voters. It is a problem for courts seeking jurors.

Yes, it is a problem. The law needs to be changed so states can require proof of citizenship when people register (if for federal elections). I was a teacher and gave extra credit for registering to vote. I had two Asian sisters who presented me with their registration certificate although they were not citizens. They just checked the box.

The teenager's voter registration information contains their birth date and they would not be allowed to vote unless they turned 18.
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All of that argues against HR 1 and 3...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
All of that argues against HR 1 and 3...
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Agreed, although I think those are the less objectionable requirements.

Democrats have traditionally done better with higher turnout and therefore want to make it easier to vote while Republicans seek to make it not quite so easy. All the laws are centered around this power struggle.
 
Flash said:
Agreed, although I think those are the less objectionable requirements.

Democrats have traditionally done better with higher turnout and therefore want to make it easier to vote while Republicans seek to make it not quite so easy. All the laws are centered around this power struggle.
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Republicans want fascism. Democrats want democracy.
 
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