Democrats Falsely Claim Jesus was a Socialist

No it's everyone's responsibility in the word of Christ. Government is the people, and it has the same responsibility as the people. Jesus is about free will, and we don't have to do any of it, but you have to, to follow Christ. So those that say we are a Christian nation should be the ones opting for those type of things, otherwise the nation isn't following Christ. Weird it's the other way around. Jesus is a socialist in that the world belongs to everyone. The world, and greed took that away, and makes you pay for everything. You can't even live off the land without paying for it.

There is nothing even remotely related to freedom in american society. Until there is democratic representation in the workplace and everyone has access to healthcare and clean air/water and food and shelter, you're simply not free at all.
 
There is nothing even remotely related to freedom in american society. Until there is democratic representation in the workplace and everyone has access to healthcare and clean air/water and food and shelter, you're simply not free at all.


and you fight to help the evil assholes by telling everyone to give up
 
he whipped the money changers not the poor


the governments in his day were run by the religions dude

so yes he thought government should help the poor

He whipped the money changers, but they were not the government they were of the religious authority and were in the temple. The government in his day was the Roman Republic and they were not run by the religions, Desh.

No, he never once stated it was government's responsibility to force another to follow his religion.
 
https://christianpf.com/why-did-jesus-drive-the-money-changers-from-the-temple/



Jesus not only drove money changers from the temple, but he also cleared out those who were selling animals.
When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money.
So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. – John 2:13-15 NIV
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there.
He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’” – Matthew 21:12-13 NIV
Why Did Jesus Drive Them Out?
1. They were taking advantage of those who had traveled long distances to celebrate Passover.
Two things were essential for these foreign worshipers: an animal to sacrifice and Temple coins which local merchants would accept. There was probably nothing wrong with selling animals or operating a legitimate money exchange, but, according to Jesus, these particular vendors were a “den of robbers” who undoubtedly charged exorbitant rates, thus taking advantage of those who seemingly had no other options.
2. They were doing so in the Temple.
Evidently, these shysters set up shop in the Court of the Gentiles, effectively crowding out those who had traveled to worship. Furthermore, they were perverting the purpose of the Temple itself; Jesus exclaimed that they were turning the house of prayer into a den of robbers. Not good!
In summary, these “businessmen” were guilty of a double whammy: they took advantage of others and they blocked God’s purposes in doing so. No wonder Jesus was angry!
What Should We Learn?
1. Don’t make the same mistakes.
Of course we won’t literally be selling sacrificial animals or providing a money exchange for worshipers, but we can take advantage of others. Do you ever use others to in order to advance your own purposes? Have you ever borrowed money from a generous friend when you have no intention of repayment? At work, do you push the less savory tasks onto your subordinate simply because you have the power to do so? Do you ask favors of people who don’t know how to say no?
2. Speak up when others do the same thing.
The flip side of taking advantage of others is speaking up when you see someone else doing it. Jesus spoke up in no uncertain terms . . . perhaps we should do the same?
3. Anger can be a good thing.
Anger is often portrayed as a negative emotion, but the God who gave us our emotions expects us to be occasionally moved to anger. Jesus was angry because men were perverting the use of his Father’s house. How about you? Does child abuse make you angry? What emotions are fired off when you hear about human trafficking? If anger is nowhere on your radar, you might need to ask yourself why it isn’t! That anger can be a great catalyst to getting us involved in causes we would otherwise ignore.
4. We are the Temple.
I realize that we need to be wise about what activities take place in church buildings, but the bigger point is that today’s believers in Christ are the church. Therefore, as we mingle in the world around us, we are showcasing the church. If the Temple was made for prayer, do we think we, the children of God, have any less of a calling? Is it possible that we are guilty of perverting the use of “God’s house” when we compromise our prayer walk?
The Rest of the Story
What happened after Jesus threw those moneychangers from the Temple? I imagine there was a shocked silence as people awkwardly waited to see what would happen next. The Bible tells us that the blind and the lame came to him, and children recognized him as “Hosanna, son of David.”
Think about it: Immediately after Jesus dealt with the opportunists, he became a magnet for the very ones whom others so often take advantage of. It may be that when we take a courageous stand for righteousness, some will recognize and appreciate that stand. The world is full of downtrodden people who are looking for someone to stand up for them. If we don’t do it, who will?
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great


Religion
Second Temple Judaism




The study of Herod's reign includes polarizing opinions on the man himself. His critics have described him as "the evil genius of the Judean nation",[85] and as one who would be "prepared to commit any crime in order to gratify his unbounded ambition."[86] His extraordinary spending spree is cited as one of the causes of the serious impoverishment of the people he ruled, adding to the opinion that his reign was exclusively negative.[87] Herod's religious policies gained a mixed response from the Jewish populace. Although Herod considered himself king of the Jews, he let it be known that he also represented the non-Jews living in Judea, building temples for other religions outside of the Jewish areas of his kingdom. Many Jews questioned the authenticity of Herod's Judaism on account of his Idumean background and his infamous murders of members of his family. However, he generally respected traditional Jewish observances in his public life. For instance, he minted coins without human images to be used in Jewish areas and acknowledged the sanctity of the Second Temple by employing priests in the construction of the Temple.
 
Horse shit.

A person volunteering time to a municipality...is saving tax dollars. His/her work...is paying more taxes voluntarily.

Wake the hell up.

Alright already. I get your point now. You're just looking at taxes from a different side. I'm talking about actual paid taxes by a salaried worker and you're talking about tax savings to a municipality. Done.
 
Alright already. I get your point now. You're just looking at taxes from a different side. I'm talking about actual paid taxes by a salaried worker and you're talking about tax savings to a municipality. Done.

why only workers idiot


there are lots of ways to tax
 
and you fight to help the evil assholes by telling everyone to give up

Not at all love, what I do say is that "both" or our political parties serve and are funded by the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class and all should be aware.

THAT'S what triggers you.
 
Not at all love, what I do say is that "both" or our political parties serve and are funded by the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class and all should be aware.

THAT'S what triggers you.



that is fucking crap


the democratic party and all its voters back democracy

even the wal street donors
 
Hello Stretch,



If others do it and you think that is a good thing, but you won't do it, that means you are choosing to not do a good thing. Not good.

How can it be a good thing for others but not for you?

Do you hate paying taxes?

Is that kind of hatred OK?

Is any hatred OK?

Can it be justified by believing that everybody hates the government?

If other people are doing something that is not OK, does that make it OK for you to do it too?

It makes no sense for the populace to hate the government they formed themselves.

The United States is a great country.

We should be proud, as Americans, to pay our taxes and be a loyal part of America.

The country cannot exist, cannot be great, without people paying enough taxes to make it all happen.

That's what Republicans have done on taxes. They prevent America from being great because they gave the rich a totally needless tax cut which is causing the debt to rise during a good economy.

If America cannot get the debt under control then America can't be great.

The debt can only be paid down in a good economy. It cannot be paid down during a recession or a depression.

If Republicans can't manage to reduce the deficit even when the economy is doing very well then when do they expect the debt to be paid down?

When Democrats take over?

Republicans billed themselves as responsible with the budget but we are now approaching $ 1 Billion deficit.

Do you know what that means?

Add a billion to the debt every year. That is not being responsible with the budget.

We should be taxing the rich more.

It is irresponsible to give the rich a tax cut during good economic times.

If we taxed the rich enough there would be no deficit.

Republicans said a rising GDP would replace the lost revenue but that didn't happen. The debt is now out of control.

Everybody knew that was a lie. Republicans were lying to themselves and Republicans were lying to America.

We need to vote Republicans OUT.

A bit ADHD today, aren't we? Taxes, hatred, GDP, on and on.
Go ahead, who's stopping you from overpaying for ANYTHING IN THE WORLD YOU WANT TO? Go somewhere today, buy a can of soda, give the guy a 20 and say "keep the change". Do whatever you want.

"The country cannot exist, cannot be great, without people paying enough taxes to make it all happen.".......then vote for socialist and be happy for crying out loud.
 
None of those propound socialism. They talk about your personal responsibility. Government existed in Jesus' supposed time, he could have said it was the responsibility of government but didn't.

You are supposed to help these people personally, it doesn't say, "If your brother is hungry, you should take money from your neighbor and give it to your brother."

These concepts existed, he definitely could have said that panem et circenses is the responsibility of government. But he didn't.

I can't account for your understanding or lack about socialism, but every passage I posted clearly speaks to the concepts of socialsim.

Jesus isn't following socialism, socialism is following Jesus.

“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit."

Not sure how much clearer it need be .. but you are free to your own interpretations.
 
I can't account for your understanding or lack about socialism, but every passage I posted clearly speaks to the concepts of socialsim.

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absurd.......the concept of socialism is the cooperative ownership of the means of production, usually through the control of government........
 
I can't account for your understanding or lack about socialism, but every passage I posted clearly speaks to the concepts of socialsim.

Jesus isn't following socialism, socialism is following Jesus.

“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit."

Not sure how much clearer it need be .. but you are free to your own interpretations.

None of them do. All of them clearly speak to your personal responsibility as a believer. If you believe that religion, these are things that you will do, it does not say, "You shall establish a government that will do this for you and absolve you of this responsibility while forcing others to do what I say is right."

There is nothing in those verses that promotes absolution and avoidance of responsibility by making others do what you should do.

Not sure how much clearer it can be.
 
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