Do Democrats Comprehend?

putting temporary, relatively ineffective roadblocks in place to slow down the inevitable march of progressive liberalism. That is really all the GOP has been good for for most of the last century. Having them attempting to do so from the minority works just fine for me... but we will have to put up with screaming, wailing and fist shaking. Ah well.
 
cypress: You bet maineman $100 dollars that the Dems wouldn't pick up a single seat in congress

Dixie: No lie... Again, I am correct, you are incorrect.... *sigh* it's getting too easy! I made a bet, and readily admitted I would probably lose the bet, I didn't 'predict' anything. It would have been a rather 'historical first' if Republicans had gained seats in this election.

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July 2005:

-MAINEMAN: I bet you that the Democrats will have more members of their party in the House of Representatives and in the Senate AFTER the midterm elections than they do now. Gonna back away from that bet or are we still on?


-DIXIE, July 2005: Thanks for clarification maine, and no, I am not trying to wiggle out of anything, but I am a little concerned about your financial situation... looks like you may need to secure a loan to pay off when you lose, and you're still running your mouth!

I'm sort of like Grind, I don't know anything for certain, and I could very well lose this bet, but it should make things interesting. I agree with Ihate, it is highly against the odds, which is why I am not making the bet with any and all takers... sorry Ihate, I can't afford it if I lose.

People will say... well Dixie, why did you make a bet against the odds? My reasoning is, the democrats are moving backwards... it's a trend. Yes, it will be unprcidented, but not impossible, and with the current "message" I am hearing and seeing from the dems... I'll take that chance. They might luck out and pick up a seat or two in the house, but they'll probably lose a few in the Senate. I just don't see them having a platform strong enough to gain in both bodies at this time, and I don't think they are going to understand it until it's too late. Also, there is the fundraising game... which Howard Dean is sorely losing for the Dems... you can't win elections with no money. Couple that with no message or "reason" to vote for Dems other than hate for Bush, and I think it's a real possibility they will lose seats.
 
cypress: You bet maineman $100 dollars that the Dems wouldn't pick up a single seat in congress

Dixie: No lie... Again, I am correct, you are incorrect.... *sigh* it's getting too easy! I made a bet, and readily admitted I would probably lose the bet, I didn't 'predict' anything. It would have been a rather 'historical first' if Republicans had gained seats in this election.

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July 2005:

-MAINEMAN: I bet you that the Democrats will have more members of their party in the House of Representatives and in the Senate AFTER the midterm elections than they do now. Gonna back away from that bet or are we still on?


-DIXIE, July 2005: Thanks for clarification maine, and no, I am not trying to wiggle out of anything, but I am a little concerned about your financial situation... looks like you may need to secure a loan to pay off when you lose, and you're still running your mouth!

I'm sort of like Grind, I don't know anything for certain, and I could very well lose this bet, but it should make things interesting. I agree with Ihate, it is highly against the odds, which is why I am not making the bet with any and all takers... sorry Ihate, I can't afford it if I lose.

People will say... well Dixie, why did you make a bet against the odds? My reasoning is, the democrats are moving backwards... it's a trend. Yes, it will be unprcidented, but not impossible, and with the current "message" I am hearing and seeing from the dems... I'll take that chance. They might luck out and pick up a seat or two in the house, but they'll probably lose a few in the Senate. I just don't see them having a platform strong enough to gain in both bodies at this time, and I don't think they are going to understand it until it's too late. Also, there is the fundraising game... which Howard Dean is sorely losing for the Dems... you can't win elections with no money. Couple that with no message or "reason" to vote for Dems other than hate for Bush, and I think it's a real possibility they will lose seats.


So you predicted that Dems might pick up a "seat or two" in the house if they were "lucky", but that the Dems will also lose "a few" seats in the Senate: making it a clear midterm loss for the Dems.

How did that prediction work out for you dixie?
 
" They might luck out and pick up a seat or two in the house, but they'll probably lose a few in the Senate"

Ouch! That's gotta sting.

Cue blustery, obfuscating tapdance...
 
Also Dixie, you predicted and anticipated that you would win the bet, since you predicted the Dems “might” pick up a “seat or two” in the house (if they got "lucky"), but would also lose “a few” seats in the Senate.

MM’s bet was that Dems would pick up in BOTH houses. So, if your prediction came true (which they never do), you would have won the bet:



July 2005:

-MAINEMAN: I bet you that the Democrats will have more members of their party in the House of Representatives and in the Senate AFTER the midterm elections than they do now.

-DIXIE: They might luck out and pick up a seat or two in the house, but they'll probably lose a few in the Senate.
 
So your left with extremely thin pickings, on what you've been right about Dixie:

1) We can rule out all your assertions about how you "will be right" someday on several of your assertions. Those don't count. Only things you actually HAVE been right about count.

2) We can rule out your prediction that the GOP would pick up "a few" Senate seats.

3) All your left with possibly being right about is the nuclear option and Schiavo. And those are pretty weak assertions. I've never heard a single pundit, polling expert, or commentator say that the nucelar option cost the GOP congress. Argubably, the only thing you are concievably right about is that Terri Schiavo wasn't an issue in the election. Although, there is no polling or expert commentary to back your assertion up. I never thought it would be a top issue - it was one fucking court case afterall - but I suspect that, as part of a broader theme of GOP overreach, it was in the back of many people's minds.
 
cypress: You bet maineman $100 dollars that the Dems wouldn't pick up a single seat in congress

Dixie: No lie... Again, I am correct, you are incorrect.... *sigh* it's getting too easy! I made a bet, and readily admitted I would probably lose the bet, I didn't 'predict' anything. It would have been a rather 'historical first' if Republicans had gained seats in this election.

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July 2005:

-MAINEMAN: I bet you that the Democrats will have more members of their party in the House of Representatives and in the Senate AFTER the midterm elections than they do now. Gonna back away from that bet or are we still on?


-DIXIE, July 2005: Thanks for clarification maine, and no, I am not trying to wiggle out of anything, but I am a little concerned about your financial situation... looks like you may need to secure a loan to pay off when you lose, and you're still running your mouth!

I'm sort of like Grind, I don't know anything for certain, and I could very well lose this bet, but it should make things interesting. I agree with Ihate, it is highly against the odds, which is why I am not making the bet with any and all takers... sorry Ihate, I can't afford it if I lose.

People will say... well Dixie, why did you make a bet against the odds? My reasoning is, the democrats are moving backwards... it's a trend. Yes, it will be unprcidented, but not impossible, and with the current "message" I am hearing and seeing from the dems... I'll take that chance. They might luck out and pick up a seat or two in the house, but they'll probably lose a few in the Senate. I just don't see them having a platform strong enough to gain in both bodies at this time, and I don't think they are going to understand it until it's too late. Also, there is the fundraising game... which Howard Dean is sorely losing for the Dems... you can't win elections with no money. Couple that with no message or "reason" to vote for Dems other than hate for Bush, and I think it's a real possibility they will lose seats.


So you predicted that Dems might pick up a "seat or two" in the house if they were "lucky", but that the Dems will also lose "a few" seats in the Senate: making it a clear midterm loss for the Dems. And a win for you, on MM's bet.

How did that prediction work out for you dixie?
 
I realize the short answer to this, is "no." One need only look at the day-to-day conversations with pinheads who can't comprehend basic language. I am wondering, after listening to the enthused and energized liberal leaders espouse the liberal mantra for a few days, and reading some of the arguments and debates on this board, if they really understand and comprehend what this election meant, or what they won.

It seems that some pinheads actually think, this election was a vote of confidence for Bush Bashers, to continue criticizing, bashing, and trashing the president for another two years. Sort of like a Gold Star for good effort. That this election, merely extends the calls for 'change' until '08, when the Democrats can hold the White House too. In other words, they think the American people voted for no change, just partisan positioning toward bigger change in '08. America voted to allow Democrats to position themselves for a complete control of all bodies, not to change anything now. They will even tell you, they can't change anything, they can merely suggest change to the president. Sort of like they were doing already, just with chairman titles now.

On Iraq, we find post after post on thread after thread, since the elections, which sound exactly like the posts before the elections. There is little change. Other than having a little more confidence in their voices, we hear the same exact rhetorical arguments, and pointless discussion of why we shouldn't have gone into Iraq and how Bush is incompetent, and this is an unjust war.

It's as if the Pinheads don't understand, the now Democrat Congress has the sole Constitutional authority to wage wars, not the President. The American people cited Iraq as their first concern, and put Democrats in charge of Congress on the promise of "change." Murtha and Pelosi think an immediate redeployment is in order, so is this the "change" people voted for? We can't really have a debate or discussion on it, because pinheads seem to be stuck in the past, pre-election, and just want to keep bashing and criticizing Bush for going in the first place. You won the argument, we have moved on to a different one.

The people didn't vote for two more years of criticism and whining about Bush, if that was what they wanted, they would have re-elected Republicans. The people voted for change, and primarily, in Iraq. So, let's have it... what is going to change? Rumy is gone, Bolton is probably gone too, and hey... maybe we can get that nice Tom Daschle to wear his pink tie and go up to the UN? He would fit right in, wouldn't he? But... When is the vote for defunding? When are the troops coming home? Why can't they call a special session, and get them home for the Holiday's? Those are questions the pinheads don't seem to want to answer, yet that is what they ran on, and that is apparently why the American people elected them into power.

Every now and then, you catch a fleeting glimpse of a pinhead who almost comprehends. Nancy Pelosi said, "we were elected, and now we will be expected to show results." ...Oh sure, we already hear of plans to dice up the Bush tax cuts and raise the minimum wage, pay for pinhead insurance, school and daycare... whatever the fuck else pinheads can think to spend our money on. The issue was Iraq, not liberalism. Six of ten voters said, they prefer a smaller government, or less government spending. Most of the Democrats who knocked off Republicans, were conservative Democrats, running on conservative principles, the primary issue was Iraq and Bush policy.

Democrats are poised to make the same mistake Republicans made in 1996, in believing this election was some sort of ideological shift in American thinking. America didn't turn Liberal, they wanted "CHANGE" in Iraq! Two more years of the same old rhetoric, and over-blown reactionary spewing, is not change. Two years of liberal federal mandates, tax increases, and regulations, are not the "change" the American people supported on Tuesday. Perhaps we need to make them a sign... It's the Iraq War, Stupid!


I thought I would re-post the original thread topic, since it seems we've diverted off into a debate on Dixie's prognosticating ability. I don't know about anyone else, but I think 13 threads per day, about my ability or lack of ability to predict, are plenty.
 
"Democrats are poised to make the same mistake Republicans made in 1996, in believing this election was some sort of ideological shift in American thinking"

Baseless. How many times have I pointed out that very few Dems feel this way, and asked you to come up with some examples? The election was about Iraq & corruption, and Pelosi has presented a very moderate agenda for the 1st 100 hours. Where is this thought of yours, which you repeat mindlessly, coming from?

That's why it's more fun to talk about how many times you have been wrong...
 
How many times have I pointed out that very few Dems feel this way, and asked you to come up with some examples?

Minimum Wage
Hillary Care
Tax Increases

Have you been smoking crack since the election? Everytime you turn on the TV, there is another Democrat telling us how another Liberal social program has now been revived and is back on the table.

The election was about Iraq & corruption

Right, and it wasn't about the Minimum Wage, Hillarycare, and Tax increases!

Where is this thought of yours, which you repeat mindlessly, coming from?

The mouths of people who now run Congress!
 
I have not heard ONE SINGLE DEMOCRAT talk about "Hillary Care." I HAVE heard Democrats talk about the healthcare crisis, which Bush promised to address in his 2000 campaign. Was Bush running on a "San Francisco" agenda when he talked about healthcare in 2000, or has it just become a fringe idea as the problem has actually gotten much worse on his watch? Do you think most Americans would prefer that they ignore what's happening to healthcare costs & insurance now?

What kind of "far left" agenda are you talking about....is that it? Dems talked about minimum wage the entire campaign. The voters also knew they'd be getting a repeal of a lot of those tax cuts, since that's practically all the GOP talked about. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY and actually balancing the budget are not radical, leftie ideas.

And how is "minimum wage" a far-left idea? You really don't know what you're talking about (as usual). Maybe these are all whacked-out ideas in Alabama, but most of America recognizes that healthcare, a reasonable living wage & addressing the deficit are pretty sound ideas.

You're going to have to do infinitely better than that with the amount of foot stomping and righteous indignation you have displayed - in typical infantile fashion - since the election, claiming that Dems are acting on some sort of imaginary mandate for a "far left" agenda.

Now please....spend the next 10-15 minutes trying to google the ONE quote that I missed from some obscure congressman who actually uses the word "universal" with healthcare, to "prove" me wrong and show that ALL national Dems are pushing for a return to "Hillary Care"......
 
but most of America recognizes that healthcare, a reasonable living wage & addressing the deficit are pretty sound ideas.

Make that most of the industrialised civilised world.

'Survival of the fittest' healthcare systems are for banana republics or those countries being exploited by industry, such as the far east and South America....
 
and repealing the irresponsible Bush tax cuts to millionaires and retargeting them to the middle class is hardly a "far left" agenda item.
 
Candidate Bush, 2000:

"But I want to remind you, the number of uninsured in America during their watch has increased. I've got a plan to do something about that."

What a radical leftie! Who knew he was "Mr. San Francisco" in 2000?

Of course, that's also when he talked about being a humble nation, and not being in favor of nation-building...
 
and repealing the irresponsible Bush tax cuts to millionaires and retargeting them to the middle class is hardly a "far left" agenda item.

The 'far left' to these ultra-cons is simply the centre ground for most countries...
 
I have not heard ONE SINGLE DEMOCRAT talk about "Hillary Care."

Hillary, Harry, Nancy, Rahm, Teddy, John, Stenny... they've all indicated that the liberal socialist ideas for healthcare are back. If you want to dress the pig up and pretend it's something else, that's fine... it's not very honest, but that's normal.

What kind of "far left" agenda are you talking about....is that it?

I didn't use the term "far left", I said LIBERAL!

And how is "minimum wage" a far-left idea?

It's a LIBERAL idea, it has been since its inception!

Maybe these are all whacked-out ideas in Alabama, but most of America recognizes that healthcare, a reasonable living wage & addressing the deficit are pretty sound ideas.

And maybe you're a whacked out LIBERAL who thinks they won this election on THESE issues, and NOT Iraq and corruption, as you stated before.

I don't have to Google a fucking thing, I don't need to "prove" anything to your pathetic ass, and I am content to wait two years and let the LIBERALS hang themselves in the noose of Liberalism, as they always do. You admitted that Democrats won this election on "Iraq and corruption", and I agree, they DIDN'T win on the agenda they are presently trying to advance, and it will come back to bite them in the ass.
 
"and it will come back to bite them in the ass."

Where have I heard that before?

Oh yeah - about 1,000 times, from you, on everything from Schiavo to Bolton to Iraq, and how these would all "bite Dems in the ass" in '06.

That's why this thread went the route of examining your past prognostications...it's because every one of them has been wrong, and this goes a long way toward how much credibility your current "bite them in the ass" prediction will go.

I've got news for you. A huge # of Americans either rely on minimum wage, or have someone in their family who does. This is not a fringe issue, and raising the wage is not something that gets the average American's blood boiling.

I've got some more news for you. America has a health insurance CRISIS going on right now. More working Americans are without it, and costs are skyrocketing for Americans who do have it. Bush recognized this as a significant issue that he promised to address in 2000. If you think Americans want Dems or anyone else to just leave that issue alone & see what happens, you're more out of touch with reality than I thought.
 
if democrats had been bitten in the ass by all the things that Dixie has predicted would bite us over the past two years, we wouldn't have an ass left... as it is, we've got the majority in both houses of congress.

You could make a lot of money betting against Dixie's prognostications..... just not from Dixie, of course.
 
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