Do Democrats Comprehend?

maineman said:
if this were a declared war, you would have a point...but congress, under YOUR party's control, ceded authority to use force in Iraq to the little cowboy.

Whine, whine, cry, cry...we couldn't have done without your help....so in reality, Congress DID control and condone the war....facts are odd that way....

There will be some changes in Iraq as a result of our victory on Tuesday...and if you don't think that Rummy's replacement is one such result you are crazy.

There will be more too..and my guess is that it will be Dubya who will be backpedallling and making those changes just so he won't have to suffer the indignity of having a democratic congress foist them on him.

And I really don't care about that. America knows it is Bush's war and they don't like it.... democrats will do all they can to get us out of there as quickly as possible, but it will always be Bush's war...it will always be the albatross that you all hung around your own necks.
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if this were a declared war, you would have a point...but congress, under YOUR party's control, ceded authority to use force in Iraq to the little cowboy.

Whine, whine, cry, cry...we couldn't have done without your help....so in reality, Congress DID control and condone the war....facts are odd that way....
 
Dixie said:
democrats will do all they can to get us out of there as quickly as possible

When? How? Tell us about your plan for this!

America elected your party to power, because 3,000 Americans have died in this war, and things are not getting better over there. They voted you into power, to change it! They are not going to be content with your failure to deliver change in Iraq, or your boisterous commentary on total political domination. They will not be content with two years of bashing Bush and trying to destroy him completely, no one who really cares about the soldiers dying in Iraq, thinks this is more important. People voted for change in Iraq, and now you have to deliver, and if you fail to deliver, and don't do so successfully, your party will not win in '08.
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again...Dixie.... please realize that you would be much better served if you were able to refrain from prognostication. Your track record on what America will or will not do in response to anything has been uniformly inaccurate.

Here's a suggestion: sit down. shut up. wait until January when we take control.... then watch.
 
bravo said:
if this were a declared war, you would have a point...but congress, under YOUR party's control, ceded authority to use force in Iraq to the little cowboy.

Whine, whine, cry, cry...we couldn't have done without your help....so in reality, Congress DID control and condone the war....facts are odd that way....
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I will never try to deny that a handful of democrats joined the republican party in supporting this war. Most of them have seen the error in their ways. The fact remains: a majority of congressional democrats voted against the use of force...and America has spoken with regard to their view on that vote...and they have returned us to the majority in congress in part because we DID oppose this idiotic counterproductive war.

It must suck to be a republican about now.
 
Here's a suggestion: sit down. shut up. wait until January when we take control.... then watch.


Oh, I will be watching, I won't be sitting or shutting up. I plan on reminding you, with every death in Iraq, that your Congress is doing nothing to stop it. If the middle east collapses into chaos because you pull us out, I am going to blame you for that. If gas goes up to $8.00 a gallon, Democrat Iraq Policy will be to blame. If we have a terror attack, or a civil war in Iraq... it's the fault of the Democrat Congress now. Enjoy your reign!
 
Dixie said:
Here's a suggestion: sit down. shut up. wait until January when we take control.... then watch.


Oh, I will be watching, I won't be sitting or shutting up. I plan on reminding you, with every death in Iraq, that your Congress is doing nothing to stop it. If the middle east collapses into chaos because you pull us out, I am going to blame you for that. If gas goes up to $8.00 a gallon, Democrat Iraq Policy will be to blame. If we have a terror attack, or a civil war in Iraq... it's the fault of the Democrat Congress now. Enjoy your reign!
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Well...do us all a favor and at least shut up until January when we take control of congress.

and here's a newsflash: we already have a civil war in Iraq...that is all yours.
If we have a terror attack, my guess is that it will be the fault of our intelligence agencies which still fall under the executive branch. If we have a terror attack in september of 2009, after the new democratic president is in office, you can lay it on him or her...and rightfully so.
 
Dixie said:
The thing about it is... not much mud will stick to a lame duck.
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let's just see how far your 2008 candidate can pry himself away from Dubya!

film footage of the two of them together is bound to be featured in lots of ads....I guarantee it.
 
Maine, I hate to burst your hate-filled bubble, but the whole nation doesn't hate Bush as much as you do, and I doubt they will base any consideration of a completely new administration, on the previous administration. If Cheney were running, this might be the case, if Condi were indicating she would run, perhaps... but whoever run for the Republicans in 2008, will have complete independence of the Bush Administration. If you are hoping to win an election on that basis, you are in deep trouble.
 
again with the prognostications..... you really should look back at your 100% inaccurate record and refrain from making further predictions.

YOur party is the party of incompetence and corruption.... that will be hard to run away from. but I will love watching you try!
 
Well...do us all a favor and at least shut up until January when we take control of congress.

Well, see, I can't do that. The forces of the universe prohibit this. If I were to just remain silent, the collective power of liberalist blather would consume the energy and oxygen within our atmosphere, and the world would end. So, I am afraid, for the betterment of mankind, I simply have to speak up.

And I fully understand, your party feels it's more important to be with their families eating turkey and pie, while our soldiers are killed in Iraq. Hopefully, they can dodge the bombs and bullets through December, and in January, your party can bring them all home safely. America has waited 3 long years, they can wait a couple more months. I am sure Democrats will have their talking points by then, as to why we are still in Iraq and they don't have a plan.
 
wait and see.... we are not the majority in either chamber of congress until january. we'll show you our stuff when we take the gavels.

you'll just have to be patient....

and it is funny that you now feign concern for the troops dodging bullets in Iraq when their welfare was never really high on your list before.
 
and it is funny that you now feign concern for the troops dodging bullets in Iraq when their welfare was never really high on your list before.

I've always been very concerned. It is the priority on my list, and always has been. When Republicans controlled Congress and the White House, I supported whatever they had planned, I backed them 100% in that plan, and wanted it seen through to the end. Now that Democrats control Congress, I want them to implement their plan. I hold them responsible for having a plan, and doing what they need to do to protect the troops and America.

I am not going to be content, sitting here watching our boys die in a war you intend to let languish for two more years, while you politicize it and try to gain even more power and control in Washington. It's time to put up or shut up, because you control all the marbles now, Iraq is the responsibility of Democrats as much as Republicans now, and you will be held accountable.
 
again.... we will control the legislative branch - not - I say again, not- all the marbles. are you willing to have your pissant president abdicate his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief?

and don't you worry...we will be recommending changes...and we will be making sure that the american people know what our recommendations are..... it remains to be seen if dubya will be able to extricate his head from his ass to the point of being able to see/hear them. let alone have the skill to implement them.
 
and no...the safety of american troops has NEVER been your priority. Your priority was not sitting around and waiting for Saddam to abide by those UN resolutions..... you were gonna go in and force your will on the people of Iraq, and the safety of the troops sent in on your fool's mission was NEVER anything you gave a shit about.
 
again.... we will control the legislative branch - not - I say again, not- all the marbles.

You can say it all you want to, Bush is a Lame Duck. You control the war in Iraq because you control Congress. Congress funds the war, Congress authorizes the war, and Congress can end the war.

are you willing to have your pissant president abdicate his constitutional responsibilities as commander in chief?

What Constitutional responsibilities does Bush need to abdicate? Congress is granted the power to use the army in war, not the president. He merely decides where the army goes and you didn't like where he picked, and were given the power to change things. Now you are saying you don't have the authority, but that was the very argument you made to get power.
 
maineman said:
and no...the safety of american troops has NEVER been your priority. Your priority was not sitting around and waiting for Saddam to abide by those UN resolutions..... you were gonna go in and force your will on the people of Iraq, and the safety of the troops sent in on your fool's mission was NEVER anything you gave a shit about.
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I am not going to argue with you, I think I know what my priorities are. If you just want to rehash a bunch of old debate over who, what, why, on Iraq, we aren't going to get anywhere. The argument is over, the people spoke on Tuesday, but you still seem to think it is valid to continue arguing it, even though you won.

The issue now, is what to do about Iraq. Okay, you indicate, you don't like the idea of establishing a democratic Arab pro-western ally in the heart of the Caliphate, so what is your alternative? To bluster and brag about yourself the next two years? I don't think that is what America voted for, do you?
 
congress is granted the power to USE the army in war? what the fuck are you talking about?

Dixie...look.... your party got spanked. We are gonna take over congress. We can do a lot, but we can't do everything...just like you guys couldn't stop Clinton from sending troops to Bosnia when YOU controlled the congress.... but you got some stuff done. You impeached a president.... you significantly impeded his legislative agenda.... you should expect something along those lines from us, absent the impeachment part.

You look pretty silly now after getting your ass handed to you on tuesday talking all sorts of tough and trashy about what you will expect from democrats.

YOur side lost. America repudiated your grand vision. America punished you for your incompetence and your corruption.

Now be a good boy and take your medicine.... being so petulant is unbecoming.
 
Dixie said:
I am not going to argue with you, I think I know what my priorities are. If you just want to rehash a bunch of old debate over who, what, why, on Iraq, we aren't going to get anywhere. The argument is over, the people spoke on Tuesday, but you still seem to think it is valid to continue arguing it, even though you won.

The issue now, is what to do about Iraq. Okay, you indicate, you don't like the idea of establishing a democratic Arab pro-western ally in the heart of the Caliphate, so what is your alternative? To bluster and brag about yourself the next two years? I don't think that is what America voted for, do you?
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I have nothing against establishing a democratic pro-western ally in the heart of the middle east...I just have a problem in wasting a half a trillion dollars and spilling American blood in a foolish and poorly planned and executed attempt to accomplish it. Extricating ourselves from Iraq as quickly as possible is the democrat's goal... leaving some semblance of civil order in our wake is a requirement foist upon us by your boneheaded invasion in the first place.... whether that is a pro-western democracy remains to be seen. At this point, after three years of your party's fucking the place all up, I would imagine that something less than a vibrant multicultural democracy shining like a beacon of freedom will have to be acceptable
 
in any case, it is time to call it a night. My lovely wife has been reading in bed in the next room and is calling me to join her.... and you've got the soft porn on cinemax and a jar of handcream..... so goodnight.
 
Damocles said:
Funding is 100% by the Congress. Pretending they don't have the power to influence whether the military stays in Iraq is disingenuous.
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That's very true. But as you are probably aware Damo, after the dems cut off funding for the Vietnam war, which was the right thing to do, they paid a price, and a huge price, for decades. In fact, they are still paying for it today. So to pretend that the dems are going to consign themselves to that again is also disingenuous. This time around, it would have to be truly bipartisan. There are enough Republicans in Congress to make it so. Will they? No.

So there will be no cutting off of funds for the war. I only hope that they actually can work together to get us the hell out of there, soon.
 
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