Do I Have The Right To Leave This Country For Good?

Celticguy said:
The north required the south while the south did not require the north back in the day. Lincoln knew he cound not enrich his cronies with public works scams withno south so he was perfectly willing to go scortched earth and in fact HAD to conquor instead of negotiate to further his political corruption. Nobody ever seems to question how it was that the rest of the known world shuttered slavery virtually blood free while we took a very different and needless path.
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Lincoln should have never been underestimated. Lincoln was a very hard working self made man who rose from a humble background to become a successful lawyer and a lobbyist for the railroads.
 
philly rabbit said:
Lincoln should have never been underestimated. Lincoln was a very hard working self made man who rose from a humble background to become a successful lawyer and a lobbyist for the railroads.
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Which is precisely why he shouldn't have been. No one ever underestimated Jefferson because of his aristocratic origins, but Adams and Hamilton were forever being tested, which actually helped lead to their demise (Adams losing re-election, and Hamilton getting shot).
 
philly rabbit said:
Back at you: Is federalism and Thomas Jefferson republicanism now both a violation of federal law?

Stop with your statistics. The Russian revolution was led by a small minority, the Bolsheviks. The American war for independence was supported by only one third of the population.

Stop playing your cocky overconfident games and answer the question please.
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Well?


Is federalism and Thomas Jefferson republicanism now both a violation of federal law?

This is another one of those anti group think questions that you need Google first to find out what both are before you can answer.
 
Rune said:
Funny, I have never heard of a southern gentle who talks to ladies that way.

Why don't you just fucking leave already?

Your premise isn't lunatic, it is retarded, not to imply that you are sane in any way.

What a fucking waste of bandwidth.
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Speaking of posters who should leave, weren't you going?

Rune said:
Are you having a similar conversation with ILA right now, by any chance? If not, I don't want to be here.
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philly rabbit said:
Well?


Is federalism and Thomas Jefferson republicanism now both a violation of federal law?

This is another one of those anti group think questions that you need Google first to find out what both are before you can answer.
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Clearly you have no concept of either, so perhaps you should Google. Remember, part of adhering to republican government is adhering to republican documents, such as the constitution.
 
philly rabbit said:
Back at you: Is federalism and Thomas Jefferson republicanism now both a violation of federal law?

Stop with your statistics. The Russian revolution was led by a small minority, the Bolsheviks. The American war for independence was supported by only one third of the population.

Stop playing your cocky overconfident games and answer the question please.
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Who the fuck are you to demand I answer your questions when you refuse to answer mine?

I am very familiar with the bolsheviks... Lenin was my primary area of study in college.... and are you suggesting that you have anywhere near even a tenth of one third of the population on board with this secession idea in ANY state? I doubt it. Like I said... if it's you and fifteen of your geeky buddies in your mom's basement, just man up and admit it. If you have anything other than the scantest of fringe wackos who want to secede, I'd be amazed. And you need to be honest enough to admit that without some degree of critical mass, you will be easily crushed by the government with the rest of the populace cheering them on as they crush you.
 
I'm pretty sure that any military invasion of a state threatening to secede such as the president federalizing the national guard of the state and sending federal troops into occupy the state capital would no doubt spark violence in some form from the citizens.

The United States spent years fighting the cold war against this type of aggression from the soviets. So the fed would then have egg all over its face before the American people and a world jury. I wouldn't want to be part of the executive branch of the fed or connected in any way with the fed if it came to this embarrassing situation so plan B would have to be implemented by the constitution killers in DC instead obviously in order to avoid it.

The point is that the ball would stay in the federal's end of the court about whatever they came up with.
 
philly rabbit said:
I'm pretty sure that any military invasion of a state threatening to secede such as the president federalizing the national guard of the state and sending federal troops into occupy the state capital would no doubt spark violence in some form from the citizens.

The United States spent years fighting the cold war against this type of aggression from the soviets. So the fed would then have egg all over its face before the American people and a world jury. I wouldn't want to be part of the executive branch of the fed or connected in any way with the fed if it came to this embarrassing situation so plan B would have to be implemented by the constitution killers in DC instead obviously in order to avoid it.

The point is that the ball would stay in the federal's end of the court about whatever they came up with.
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the point is... if you and fifteen of your friends left your mom's basement hell bent on secession, the local police force would have you rounded up and in psyche wards before the next shift came on duty. All you got is hot air... there IS no critical mass of support from the American people in ANY state of the union to support a secession movement.

Go back to Dungeons and Dragons, it's a lot less hazardous to your health.
 
I browsed over this thread again and there are only a few good responses here that are good debate starters. The rest is around 98% trolling from group think reactionaries attacking the thread starter and not even arguing let alone debating the topic.

Jersey shore trash - liberal university assholes all with vile mouths - this forum really doesn't deserve me because it's comprised of sissy fights from moral midgets going back and forth at each other without any intelligent debate or rebuttal to consider whatsoever.
 
philly rabbit said:
Lincoln should have never been underestimated. Lincoln was a very hard working self made man who rose from a humble background to become a successful lawyer and a lobbyist for the railroads.
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Lobbyist. Yeah thats one way to put it. And canals. Huge public works projects that made his cronies rich(er) and never delivered the benefits promised. Sort of like Porkulous green "investments".
 
Celticguy said:
Lobbyist. Yeah thats one way to put it. And canals. Huge public works projects that made his cronies rich(er) and never delivered the benefits promised. Sort of like Porkulous green "investments".
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King Abraham was a dictator. When they put up his palace in DC with him sitting on is throne, they should have pointed his ugly mug toward Virginia where he launched his war of aggression.
 
philly rabbit said:
King Abraham was a dictator. When they put up his palace in DC with him sitting on is throne, they should have pointed his ugly mug toward Virginia where he launched his war of aggression.
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it is intetesting that his devoties lovingly dubbed him a great dictator. I would think the.launch to save the republican.party was further south but its all water over the dam.
thing is nobody willl be allowed to opt out of the union now that bloody Abe made it ok to go all Stalin on troublemakers.
 
Threedee said:
Clearly you have no concept of either, so perhaps you should Google. Remember, part of adhering to republican government is adhering to republican documents, such as the constitution.
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Suppose you tell me then why you oppose the democratic process.

Do you prefer violent mob rule forcing and intimidating everybody to adhere to their wishes since you brought up the constitution?
 
You have the right to renounce your citizenship under the provisions of section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. § 1481).
 
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