Eagle_Eye
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Sorry sport but Kerry's service record had nothing to do with his confirmation. But if you want to believe it was all lies like the good little left wing nut job you are then have a nut.
Do you believe John Kerry is a war hero?
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Sorry sport but Kerry's service record had nothing to do with his confirmation. But if you want to believe it was all lies like the good little left wing nut job you are then have a nut.
Of course. It has nothing to do with policy, his arrogant demeanor, or his photo ops when he was pandering to the gun crowd trying to show he was a hunter. It was all about the swift boating.
Mason Michaels
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Swift boat was the deal breaker
Unless they disgrace it by their actions. What you're saying is the material should be respected despite what the person wearing it does.
evince believes Hillary being 1st "Lady" was a qualification for being President rather than anything but a position held by the person that happened to be married to the President.
Yeah, that's what cost him. If he tries hard enough, maybe he can come up with as many excuses as Hillary for losing.
Mason's views are the clothe not the person.
Superfreak
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What precisely is his 'heroic record'???
Eagle_Eye
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And Kerry spent a whole 4 months in Nam when the rest of us unwashed masses spent at least a year. What a effing hero purple hearts for wounds but never lost a day because of them. I suffered a minor wound and was out for a couple of days.
I doubt it.
Not really. They were going back and forth in the polls all thru the election season:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...general_election_bush_vs_kerry-939.html#polls
Mason Michaels
Verified User
Back and forth,then along came Swift boat,sunk Kerry
evince
Truthmatters
Kerry fought in vietnam
he saved lives
he fought with great heroic fevor
the right hates him for that
they smeared his bravery
that bravory that won him medals.
the right LIED about his bravory
they lie about gold star families
they lie us into wars
lies are all they live for
he saved lives
he fought with great heroic fevor
the right hates him for that
they smeared his bravery
that bravory that won him medals.
the right LIED about his bravory
they lie about gold star families
they lie us into wars
lies are all they live for
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Most of the debate between the former shipmates who swear by John Kerry and the group of other Swift boat veterans who are attacking his military record focuses on matters that few of us have the experience or the moral standing to judge. But one issue, having nothing to do with medals, wounds or bravery under fire, goes to the heart of Kerry's qualifications for the presidency and is therefore something that each of us must consider.
That is Kerry's fabricated claim that he fought in Cambodia.
It is an assertion he made first, insofar as the written record reveals, in 1979 in a letter to the Boston Herald.
Since then he has repeated it on at least eight occasions during Senate debate or in news interviews, most recently to The Post this year (an interview posted on Kerry's Web site).
The most dramatic iteration came on the floor of the Senate in 1986, when he made it the centerpiece of a carefully prepared 20-minute oration.
"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me."
However seared he was, Kerry's spokesmen say his "memory was faulty".
When the Swift boat veterans who oppose Kerry presented statements from his commanders and members of his unit denying that his boat entered Cambodia, none of Kerry's shipmates came forward to corroborate his account.
Kerry's spokesmen began to backtrack. First, one aide explained that Kerry had patrolled the Mekong Delta somewhere "between" Cambodia and Vietnam.
But there is no between; there is a border. Then another spokesman told reporters that Kerry had been "near Cambodia."
But the point of Kerry's 1986 speech was that he personally had taken part in a secret and illegal war in a neutral country. That was only true if he was "in Cambodia," as he had often said he was. If he was merely "near," then his deliberate misstatement falsified the entire story.
Next, supporters leaked a new version through the medium of historian Douglas Brinkley, author of "Tour of Duty," a laudatory book on Kerry's military service.
Brinkley told the London Telegraph that while Kerry had been 50 miles from the border on Christmas, he "went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions."
Oddly, though, while Brinkley devoted nearly 100 pages of his book to Kerry's activities that January and February, pinpointing the locations of various battles and often placing Kerry near Cambodia, he nowhere mentions Kerry's crossing into Cambodia, an inconceivable omission if it were true.
After his discharge, Kerry became the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). Once, he presented to Congress the accounts by his VVAW comrades of having "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires . . . to human genitals . . . razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan . . . poisoned foodstocks." Later it was shown that many of the stories on which Kerry based this testimony were false.
Kerry has repeated his Cambodia tale throughout his adult life. He has claimed that the epiphany he had that Christmas of 1968 was about truthfulness. "One of the things that most struck me about Vietnam was how people were lied to," he explained in a subsequent interview.
Kerry himself has lied about what he did in Vietnam, and has done so not merely to spice his biography but to influence national policy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27211-2004Aug23.html