Do YOU Prefer the Banning of Guns or the Requirement to Own Guns?

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HONDURAS.....Population 8.2 Million--Bans Citizens from owning Guns.....Highest Homicide rate in the Entire World


SWITZERLAND.....Population 8.2 Million--Requires Citizens to own Guns.....Lowest Homicide rate in the Entire World


Any of you 2nd Amendment haters on the LEFT willing to accept the fact that the biden administration's attempt to
keep restricting our 2nd Amendment rights (in so many ways) needs to be immediately squashed? Again, don't let
the facts of the above stats get in your way of making a sensible and or reasonable answer to my question.
 
HONDURAS.....Population 8.2 Million--Bans Citizens from owning Guns.....Highest Homicide rate in the Entire World


SWITZERLAND.....Population 8.2 Million--Requires Citizens to own Guns.....Lowest Homicide rate in the Entire World


Any of you 2nd Amendment haters on the LEFT willing to accept the fact that the biden administration's attempt to
keep restricting our 2nd Amendment rights (in so many ways) needs to be immediately squashed? Again, don't let
the facts of the above stats get in your way of making a sensible and or reasonable answer to my question.

Don't you have anything better to do than to keep posting absurd tripe???????????????????????
 
HONDURAS.....Population 8.2 Million--Bans Citizens from owning Guns.....Highest Homicide rate in the Entire World


SWITZERLAND.....Population 8.2 Million--Requires Citizens to own Guns.....Lowest Homicide rate in the Entire World


Any of you 2nd Amendment haters on the LEFT willing to accept the fact that the biden administration's attempt to
keep restricting our 2nd Amendment rights (in so many ways) needs to be immediately squashed? Again, don't let
the facts of the above stats get in your way of making a sensible and or reasonable answer to my question.


I guess you flunked logic and statistics. Two data points cannot establish a trend, and correlation is not causation.

We are not Honduras or Switzerland. We need more gun legislation not less. Assinine post.
 
I guess you flunked logic and statistics. Two data points cannot establish a trend, and correlation is not causation.

We are not Honduras or Switzerland. We need more gun legislation not less. Assinine post.
Agreed about data points and causation.

A slight disagreement. Present laws lack enforcement. Adding more laws that aren't enforced won't fix anything. Secondly, and more importantly IMO, most murders and suicides are committed by mentally disturbed people. The US has one of the worst mental health systems of all modern nations and one of the highest rates of mental illness.

What is being done about this? Nothing. The Republicans don't give a shit and the Democrats are more focused on tools, not the tool users.

The US didn't make the cut on this list:
https://www.volunteerfdip.org/countries-with-the-psychological-and-mental-health
Top Countries of 2022 With The Psychology and Mental Healthcare in The World

https://www.insider.com/map-countries-with-the-best-mental-health-compared-to-worst-2022-3
Eight out of 10 of the countries with the lowest average MHQ scores were from the region the report calls the Core Anglosphere. From the worst reported mental health to the best, the list includes; South Africa, the United Kingdom, Australia, Ireland, India, New Zealand, Canada, and the United States.

In contrast, most of the highest-ranking average mental health scores came from Latin America, Spain, and a few French-speaking countries in Europe and Africa.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/depression-rates-by-country
Depression Rates by Country 2022
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Rates of Depression:
  1. Ukraine - 6.3%
  2. United States - 5.9% (tie)
  3. Estonia - 5.9% (tie)
  4. Australia - 5.9% (tie)
  5. Brazil - 5.8%
  6. Greece - 5.7% (tie)
  7. Portugal - 5.7% (tie)
  8. Belarus - 5.6% (tie)
  9. Finland - 5.6% (tie)
  10. Lithuania - 5.6% (tie)
 
HONDURAS.....Population 8.2 Million--Bans Citizens from owning Guns.....Highest Homicide rate in the Entire World


SWITZERLAND.....Population 8.2 Million--Requires Citizens to own Guns.....Lowest Homicide rate in the Entire World


Any of you 2nd Amendment haters on the LEFT willing to accept the fact that the biden administration's attempt to
keep restricting our 2nd Amendment rights (in so many ways) needs to be immediately squashed? Again, don't let
the facts of the above stats get in your way of making a sensible and or reasonable answer to my question.

People obsessed with guns are the problem.
 
People obsessed with guns are the problem.

If you consider people who are members of the NRA, or people that have guns in their own homes for theirs and their family's protection to be obsessed with guns, then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Having said that, can you come up with any kind of statistic that shows of how many NRA members or gun owning families have been indicted for murder? So, my OP gives you a bit of detail concerning two such nations that have opposite rules concerning gun ownership that shows most (if not all gun owners) have zero cases of murder, whereas, a government that restricts gun ownership has the greatest amount of gun murders. I'm obsessed with guns for three reasons: One, because it was a gun that saved my life during combat in Vietnam, and two,: I love to hunt wild animals for the sport of it and for the cooking of certain animals, and three,: so as to keep everyone in my home protected from any possible break-ins, like with mobs of antifa, blm, ows, or just plain anyone that has a total disrespect for law in America--and that would be people like the defund the police Lefties.
 
If you consider people who are members of the NRA, or people that have guns in their own homes for theirs and their family's protection to be obsessed with guns, then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Having said that, can you come up with any kind of statistic that shows of how many NRA members or gun owning families have been indicted for murder? So, my OP gives you a bit of detail concerning two such nations that have opposite rules concerning gun ownership that shows most (if not all gun owners) have zero cases of murder, whereas, a government that restricts gun ownership has the greatest amount of gun murders. I'm obsessed with guns for three reasons: One, because it was a gun that saved my life during combat in Vietnam, and two,: I love to hunt wild animals for the sport of it and for the cooking of certain animals, and three,: so as to keep everyone in my home protected from any possible break-ins, like with mobs of antifa, blm, ows, or just plain anyone that has a total disrespect for law in America--and that would be people like the defund the police Lefties.

Like I said, I don't give a shit about guns.
 
Gun in the home makes you less safe. If there are countries that have guns and do not have shootings, that is proof that we should not have them. Americans use them on each other. More guns will not make us safer but put us in more peril.
 
Gun in the home makes you less safe. If there are countries that have guns and do not have shootings, that is proof that we should not have them. Americans use them on each other. More guns will not make us safer but put us in more peril.
Why?

Accidents due to lack of training? People go crazy and start shooting each other?

Do you own a gun? Have you ever owned a gun? Is it legal for you to own a gun?

My own answers are: Yes, Yes, Yes.
 
Like I said, I don't give a shit about guns.

No, you said that people obsessed about guns are the problem. This isn't about your like or dislike of guns, rather, its my response to you saying that people obsessed with guns are the problem. I gave you an example or two of why people obsessed with guns are not the problem at all. Got it now?
 
No, you said that people obsessed about guns are the problem. This isn't about your like or dislike of guns, rather, its my response to you saying that people obsessed with guns are the problem. I gave you an example or two of why people obsessed with guns are not the problem at all. Got it now?

couldn't care less
 
HONDURAS.....Population 8.2 Million--Bans Citizens from owning Guns.....Highest Homicide rate in the Entire World


SWITZERLAND.....Population 8.2 Million--Requires Citizens to own Guns.....Lowest Homicide rate in the Entire World


Any of you 2nd Amendment haters on the LEFT willing to accept the fact that the biden administration's attempt to
keep restricting our 2nd Amendment rights (in so many ways) needs to be immediately squashed? Again, don't let
the facts of the above stats get in your way of making a sensible and or reasonable answer to my question.




:rolleyes:

BUZZ OFF, YOU STUPID TROLL!




Fact: Switzerland's population is 8.7 million, Honduras is 10.06 million

Fact: SWISS GUN LAWS

In 1993, Swiss voters accepted a constitutional amendment that authorized parliament to pass a "gun-abuse" law. The law was adopted in 1997 and went in effect in 1998. It preserves the right of citizens to acquire, own, and carry guns, including Swiss military-issue arms. But it bars certain categories of arms such as fully automatic guns, dangerous weapons such as stun guns, and accessories such as silencers and night vision scopes.

The law requires a permit to acquire a gun from a dealer and bars sales to minors, repeat criminal offenders, and people determined by the courts to be violent or dangerous. A permit is not needed to acquire a weapon normally used in conjunction with governmentally recognized hunting or shooting organizations. Private sales do not require a permit, but the seller cannot transfer weapons to a person barred from owning a weapon. The seller must check the buyer's identification card to determine that he is at least 18 years old. A record must be made of both commercial and private transactions and retained by both parties for 10 years.

The right to carry a gun for other than hunting or military training purposes requires proof of legitimate need, which can include self protection and the protection of property. The applicant must also demonstrate that he is proficient in the use of the weapon and understands the gun law. The permit is valid for up to five years. Weapons, munitions, and accessories must be stored safely in a place that is inaccessible to unauthorized people. The loss of a weapon must be immediately reported to the police. Weapons can be transported freely, so long as they are kept separate from munitions.

The law also governs the manufacture, importation, and exportation of weapons, and imposes record-keeping requirements on gun dealers. Violators are subject to fines and imprisonment. In the case of intentional violations of laws governing transfers, importation, and exportation the minimum penalties are five years in prison and a fine of 100,000 Swiss francs (approximately $69,000).

https://www.cga.ct.gov/PS99/rpt\olr\htm/99-R-0845.htm

Fact: Honduras gun laws

- in Honduras, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by the Constitution,57 58 59 but is conditionally guaranteed in statute law

- the minimum age for gun ownership in Honduras is 18 years

- Where a past history, or apprehended likelihood of family violence exists, the law in Honduras does not stipulate that a gun license should be denied or revoked


https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/honduras
 
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If you consider people who are members of the NRA, or people that have guns in their own homes for theirs and their family's protection to be obsessed with guns, then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. Having said that, can you come up with any kind of statistic that shows of how many NRA members or gun owning families have been indicted for murder? So, my OP gives you a bit of detail concerning two such nations that have opposite rules concerning gun ownership that shows most (if not all gun owners) have zero cases of murder, whereas, a government that restricts gun ownership has the greatest amount of gun murders. I'm obsessed with guns for three reasons: One, because it was a gun that saved my life during combat in Vietnam, and two,: I love to hunt wild animals for the sport of it and for the cooking of certain animals, and three,: so as to keep everyone in my home protected from any possible break-ins, like with mobs of antifa, blm, ows, or just plain anyone that has a total disrespect for law in America--and that would be people like the defund the police Lefties.

No, your data is hopelessly dishonest. Switzerland, does NOT require gun ownership. That is a lie. Switzerland has mandatory military service, and upon leaving the military, you are allowed to purchase your service weapon, but it is NOT required. So right off the bat, you lied about that, and didn't bother to fact check. But the reality is that Switzerland, unlike the US, does rely on their citizenry to be armed. Honduras has a drug problem, and the murder rate there is a reflection of the drug wars, and has nothing to do with strict gun control laws. That being said, Honduras ranks number 7 (not number one, as you so dishonestly claimed) in GUN deaths. In fact, Alabama, Mississippi, Wyoming, Missouri, Alaska and Louisiana ALL have higher gun death rates than Honduras. So basically, you dishonestly attempt to tie gun control to murder rates in two countries where the single biggest driver of those statistics is unique to that country.

I have carved up your argument like a Thanksgiving Turkey.

Next?
 
Why?

Accidents due to lack of training? People go crazy and start shooting each other?

Do you own a gun? Have you ever owned a gun? Is it legal for you to own a gun?

My own answers are: Yes, Yes, Yes.

Of course, I am allowed a gun. I would not have one in my home. Kids find them. There is anger in homes that guns can exacerbate. I cannot tell you how many people I know who have guns and should not. People with drinking problems with guns. People with anger problems and people with some degree of mental problems with guns. Guns should be limited to people who need them for real reasons. Not for playing tough guy . People who deliver valuable things should be allowed to have them , if they want them.
 
Why?

Accidents due to lack of training? People go crazy and start shooting each other?

Do you own a gun? Have you ever owned a gun? Is it legal for you to own a gun?

My own answers are: Yes, Yes, Yes.

Of course, I am allowed a gun. I would not have one in my home. Kids find them. There is anger in homes that guns can exacerbate. I cannot tell you how many people I know who have guns and should not. People with drinking problems with guns. People with anger problems and people with some degree of mental problems with guns. Guns should be limited to people who need them for real reasons. Not for playing the tough guy . People who deliver valuable things should be allowed to have them , if they want them.
 
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