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jbander said:
Funny , what a pile of crap, my government tells me to kill someone , I won't nor should I, as a Christian. This pretend Christian Minister who is a advisor to scum bag himself, isn't the end of the story but just a small part of the story but it is very significant part, showing you, the nuts and the goofball he has surrounded himself with , because they will do what ever he wants. This man is the lowest level of mankind and is this countries biggest threat by far. If you say that all those things listed in the bible are telling you to honor your government and do as they tell you to do, then the bible wrong but they don't mean what you want them to, hell I have more common sense then that . I would have never done what the Nazi party told me to do. as a example. and I would never do what your scum bag president told me to do, for the same reason, because I'm a Christian and he is a pagan.
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your entire thread has been a waste of time, poorly based and not well argued......
 
jbander said:
Funny , what a pile of crap, my government tells me to kill someone , I won't nor should I, as a Christian. This pretend Christian Minister who is a advisor to scum bag himself, isn't the end of the story but just a small part of the story but it is very significant part, showing you, the nuts and the goofball he has surrounded himself with , because they will do what ever he wants. This man is the lowest level of mankind and is this countries biggest threat by far. If you say that all those things listed in the bible are telling you to honor your government and do as they tell you to do, then the bible wrong but they don't mean what you want them to, hell I have more common sense then that . I would have never done what the Nazi party told me to do. as a example. and I would never do what your scum bag president told me to do, for the same reason, because I'm a Christian and he is a pagan.
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You are a Christian and claim the Bible is wrong and you are right in judgment because of your political ideology? I see......:cool: Said the blind man.

What? Can't comprehend simple English? The book, chapter and verses were presented.....they read the same for both you and I. As I said, it does not matter what "you" or "I" Think, as the scriptures are not for private interpretation, the prophets of God who recorded the revelations from God have preformed that task.

This is not to say there are not many interpretations today......but its the duty of the Christian to search the scriptures in order to determine the correct interpretation, as the scriptures never contradict other sections of scripture....from Genesis to Revelation.

To get a correct interpretation that is not private interpretation..i.e, (a simple opinion with no objective scriptural information to back it up)...one must go to the source and find every place in scripture where God has addressed the subject matter at hand. You must consider, "....the whole council of God." -- Acts 20:17 on any given subject matter. These passages must be studied IN CONTEXT of the whole passage.

Even in the days of Christ and the Apostles there were some FALSE INTERPRETATIONS, some because people could not understand a certain revelation and some because of outright lies and falsehoods, If these interpretations come from man and are found to contradict the written revelation of God (the Bible)...they must be rejected as not being true doctrine.

Even Paul and Peter were conflicted concerning physical circumcision....Peter taught (as admitted not by divine inspiration that everyone must be physically circumcised in order to become a Christian, just as the Old Law taught)....but Paul (professing to work by divine inspiration on the subject declared that the new method of circumcision was not physical but a spiritual circumcision of the heart not the flesh, and the flesh was cut from your heart..i.e., circumcised when you arose from baptism).

Thus, Peter stood corrected when he was confronted by Paul (Gal. 5:2-4, Eph. 2:11-18)n (Gal. 2:7-10) From thereafter Peter taught to those of the circumcised, who were originally Jews and converted to Christianity...and Paul taught to the gentile, those who were never physically circumcised.



Your Opinion is "moot" when compared to the Word of God when considering Christian Doctrine. All Christian Doctrine comes from one source and has come from one source since the completed New Testament Covenant was recorded by the Saints of the 1st century.

If this is not true...enlighten us, just how does anyone come to accept Christianity as a personal faith...IF FIRST HE/SHE HAS NOT NOT HEARD THE WORD OF GOD? What? Are you born a Christian with an innate Magical faith?

Simply prove that ONE thing that was presented is not contained in the Holy Scriptures.....those were not my WORDS that were presented but the actual content of the Holy Scriptures and to pretend that they are somehow my personal opinion ignores the reality of the obvious.....no one can read a verbatim text and interpret it different without adding or taking away words from the context of the script and that is expressly forbidden as per the actual instructions of how to rightly divide the word of truth....as private interpretation is forbidden. (2 Peter 1:19-21

Its not my problem that you are charged by God if you willfully disobey the laws of the land....its YOUR PROBLEM and as I have no dog in the hunt FOR YOUR SOUL. You are to work out your own salvation....or not. Do as you will...ignore the Holy Scriptures at your own peril, you have FREE WILL. I simply presented the TRUTH as it was written. I do not profess to be the author of one word in the Holy Scriptures I simply present them by Book, Chapter and Verse. If you ignore the source of all Christian faith...the Holy Bible, that's your choice. If you profess to be a Christian and declare the scriptures wrong...then you are a FAKE CHRISTIAN as the words written therein are to judge all peoples. You have no choice, its not your decision. You can live your life as you will but you, just like everyone that came before you...that life is limited, as your were born to die.

There is no PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of scripture. Point one in order to prove the argument that all Christian Doctrine has one source and one source only, the Holy Scriptures. 1. "So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." -- Romans 10:17. Logically speaking just where does the Word of God exist? The same place it has existed over the past 2000 years in the Holy Bible, it don't exist in the mind of man, no one magically Talks to God, as God has no respect of person, thus to communicate with God one must go to the only source available...if you want to comprehend what God has revealed on the subject of Christianity....the Christian Bible..i.e., the New Testament. Again...anyone that tells you that God speaks directly to him/her and that revelation contradicts the actual content of the Word of God.....that person is LYING or has mental health issues...or both.


2. And just as I have done, one must prove what the Bible actually has to say on any topic addressed and claimed to be Christian in nature....the only method to objectively prove that is to present Book, Chapter and Verse.....it reads the same for all parties involved. The Christian is instructed to prove the doctrine he is professing by doing just that.....showing the source of that professed doctrine in the revealed word of God that was presented to the prophets of God, who have been proven to be Prophets of God via the use of Signs and Wonders made possible by God to confirm that a true prophet was speaking. A Christian is to speak in relation to Christian doctrine via speaking the "oracles" (Laws/record) of God -- 1 Peter 4:11 While giving thanks for everything to the Lord -- Col. 3:17

Show me today, ONE TRUE PROPHET OF GOD that proves he/she is speaking to God via some other method than reading the scriptures.....by backing up what they are saying by signs and wonders (miracles)...you cannot because there are no modern day miracles (to prove new information from God) as the need has ceased when The entire Word of God was completed in the 1st century by the saints. -- Jude 3. Which (the saints of the 1st century)have given us (the people of the world) everything needed pertaining to salvation and godliness.
 
CFM said:
The problem is they take the one they may know or have heard of and apply that to all of them.

I don't fill the negative side. I apply it positively and I'm positive you have no clue about it.
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a Quote from CFM literally only two above this comment of his. --"My preacher doesn't live in a mansion nor is what anyone would call wealthy. So much for what you think." HE deriding me for using my one example charge that all are that way , which I'm not but he is charging that his one example proves that they are all Rightist dudes . You can't make this crap up. Look at his responce to my comment above ,post 8
 
jbander said:
a Quote from CFM literally only two above this comment of his. --"My preacher doesn't live in a mansion nor is what anyone would call wealthy. So much for what you think." HE deriding me for using my one example charge that all are that way , which I'm not but he is charging that his one example proves that they are all Rightist dudes . You can't make this crap up. Look at his responce to my comment above ,post 8
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Not my fault you presented it as all preachers using the example as if it applies to all of them. Don't step back from your statement now, boy. It's embarrassing for you.
 
Ralph said:
You are a Christian and claim the Bible is wrong and you are right in judgment because of your political ideology? I see......:cool: Said the blind man.

What? Can't comprehend simple English? The book, chapter and verses were presented.....they read the same for both you and I. As I said, it does not matter what "you" or "I" Think, as the scriptures are not for private interpretation, the prophets of God who recorded the revelations from God have preformed that task.

This is not to say there are not many interpretations today......but its the duty of the Christian to search the scriptures in order to determine the correct interpretation, as the scriptures never contradict other sections of scripture....from Genesis to Revelation.

To get a correct interpretation that is not private interpretation..i.e, (a simple opinion with no objective scriptural information to back it up)...one must go to the source and find every place in scripture where God has addressed the subject matter at hand. You must consider, "....the whole council of God." -- Acts 20:17 on any given subject matter. These passages must be studied IN CONTEXT of the whole passage.

Even in the days of Christ and the Apostles there were some FALSE INTERPRETATIONS, some because people could not understand a certain revelation and some because of outright lies and falsehoods, If these interpretations come from man and are found to contradict the written revelation of God (the Bible)...they must be rejected as not being true doctrine.

Even Paul and Peter were conflicted concerning physical circumcision....Peter taught (as admitted not by divine inspiration that everyone must be physically circumcised in order to become a Christian, just as the Old Law taught)....but Paul (professing to work by divine inspiration on the subject declared that the new method of circumcision was not physical but a spiritual circumcision of the heart not the flesh, and the flesh was cut from your heart..i.e., circumcised when you arose from baptism).

Thus, Peter stood corrected when he was confronted by Paul (Gal. 5:2-4, Eph. 2:11-18)n (Gal. 2:7-10) From thereafter Peter taught to those of the circumcised, who were originally Jews and converted to Christianity...and Paul taught to the gentile, those who were never physically circumcised.



Your Opinion is "moot" when compared to the Word of God when considering Christian Doctrine. All Christian Doctrine comes from one source and has come from one source since the completed New Testament Covenant was recorded by the Saints of the 1st century.

If this is not true...enlighten us, just how does anyone come to accept Christianity as a personal faith...IF FIRST HE/SHE HAS NOT NOT HEARD THE WORD OF GOD? What? Are you born a Christian with an innate Magical faith?

Simply prove that ONE thing that was presented is not contained in the Holy Scriptures.....those were not my WORDS that were presented but the actual content of the Holy Scriptures and to pretend that they are somehow my personal opinion ignores the reality of the obvious.....no one can read a verbatim text and interpret it different without adding or taking away words from the context of the script and that is expressly forbidden as per the actual instructions of how to rightly divide the word of truth....as private interpretation is forbidden. (2 Peter 1:19-21

Its not my problem that you are charged by God if you willfully disobey the laws of the land....its YOUR PROBLEM and as I have no dog in the hunt FOR YOUR SOUL. You are to work out your own salvation....or not. Do as you will...ignore the Holy Scriptures at your own peril, you have FREE WILL. I simply presented the TRUTH as it was written. I do not profess to be the author of one word in the Holy Scriptures I simply present them by Book, Chapter and Verse. If you ignore the source of all Christian faith...the Holy Bible, that's your choice. If you profess to be a Christian and declare the scriptures wrong...then you are a FAKE CHRISTIAN as the words written therein are to judge all peoples. You have no choice, its not your decision. You can live your life as you will but you, just like everyone that came before you...that life is limited, as your were born to die.

There is no PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of scripture. Point one in order to prove the argument that all Christian Doctrine has one source and one source only, the Holy Scriptures. 1. "So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." -- Romans 10:17. Logically speaking just where does the Word of God exist? The same place it has existed over the past 2000 years in the Holy Bible, it don't exist in the mind of man, no one magically Talks to God, as God has no respect of person, thus to communicate with God one must go to the only source available...if you want to comprehend what God has revealed on the subject of Christianity....the Christian Bible..i.e., the New Testament. Again...anyone that tells you that God speaks directly to him/her and that revelation contradicts the actual content of the Word of God.....that person is LYING or has mental health issues...or both.


2. And just as I have done, one must prove what the Bible actually has to say on any topic addressed and claimed to be Christian in nature....the only method to objectively prove that is to present Book, Chapter and Verse.....it reads the same for all parties involved. The Christian is instructed to prove the doctrine he is professing by doing just that.....showing the source of that professed doctrine in the revealed word of God that was presented to the prophets of God, who have been proven to be Prophets of God via the use of Signs and Wonders made possible by God to confirm that a true prophet was speaking. A Christian is to speak in relation to Christian doctrine via speaking the "oracles" (Laws/record) of God -- 1 Peter 4:11 While giving thanks for everything to the Lord -- Col. 3:17

Show me today, ONE TRUE PROPHET OF GOD that proves he/she is speaking to God via some other method than reading the scriptures.....by backing up what they are saying by signs and wonders (miracles)...you cannot because there are no modern day miracles (to prove new information from God) as the need has ceased when The entire Word of God was completed in the 1st century by the saints. -- Jude 3. Which (the saints of the 1st century)have given us (the people of the world) everything needed pertaining to salvation and godliness.
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First I didn't say that the bible is wrong , so you are started ass backwards. second I don't believe in the old testament being law after the death of Christ. I believe in what Jesus said and did. Christ Death Or at the last supper the New covenant put Jesus will into effect. So his actions and his words are all that there is. And you people need the old testament because the new testament isn't ugly and fire and brimstone as the old testament. I would never and will not do what the Nazi party would ask of me, nor would I do anything that your scum bag leader would ask of me. Jesus wouldn't either.
 
CFM said:
Not my fault you presented it as all preachers using the example as if it applies to all of them. Don't step back from your statement now, boy. It's embarrassing for you.
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I'll show you how a lie is created by the right. His quote "My preacher doesn't live in a mansion nor is what anyone would call wealthy. So much for what you think." Can anyone see how my post is saying all preachers are anything Good, Bad , indifferent. Here is what he is responding to "The point is many here do know preachers who do. I'm in no way arguing against being a Christian, it's when you get to the church level then it always seems to be Their ideology and not the bibles. You can find a quote in the bible that will support just about anything you want or need to fill the negative side of your being. Same with the Koran. But in both cases that's not the real message." Can anyone at all see me saying that preacher are all the same. or all inclusive in my comment. That is how the right builds their lies , now that he has said it , it is now gospel to all of them even though it is 100% lie.
 
jbander said:
I'll show you how a lie is created by the right. His quote "My preacher doesn't live in a mansion nor is what anyone would call wealthy. So much for what you think." Can anyone see how my post is saying all preachers are anything Good, Bad , indifferent. Here is what he is responding to "The point is many here do know preachers who do. I'm in no way arguing against being a Christian, it's when you get to the church level then it always seems to be Their ideology and not the bibles. You can find a quote in the bible that will support just about anything you want or need to fill the negative side of your being. Same with the Koran. But in both cases that's not the real message." Can anyone at all see me saying that preacher are all the same. or all inclusive in my comment. That is how the right builds their lies , now that he has said it , it is now gospel to all of them even though it is 100% lie.
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nice, but that isn't what you've said......you opened with an outright lie about what White said, then tried to paint your lie over "many" preachers......
 
jbander said:
I'll show you how a lie is created by the right. His quote "My preacher doesn't live in a mansion nor is what anyone would call wealthy. So much for what you think." Can anyone see how my post is saying all preachers are anything Good, Bad , indifferent. Here is what he is responding to "The point is many here do know preachers who do. I'm in no way arguing against being a Christian, it's when you get to the church level then it always seems to be Their ideology and not the bibles. You can find a quote in the bible that will support just about anything you want or need to fill the negative side of your being. Same with the Koran. But in both cases that's not the real message." Can anyone at all see me saying that preacher are all the same. or all inclusive in my comment. That is how the right builds their lies , now that he has said it , it is now gospel to all of them even though it is 100% lie.
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You started out with a lie and not, in typical atheist fashion, try to turn it on someone else.

I can find what the Bible says about lying. If you deem that as negative, you should. God does.
 
jbander said:
First I didn't say that the bible is wrong , so you are started ass backwards. second I don't believe in the old testament being law after the death of Christ. I believe in what Jesus said and did. Christ Death Or at the last supper the New covenant put Jesus will into effect. So his actions and his words are all that there is. And you people need the old testament because the new testament isn't ugly and fire and brimstone as the old testament. I would never and will not do what the Nazi party would ask of me, nor would I do anything that your scum bag leader would ask of me. Jesus wouldn't either.
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Do you "really" believe in what Jesus said and done? Really? But you reject the words coming directly from a hand picked apostle of the Christ? Really

Right....The Book of Romans is in the "Old Testament". Got ya. His Words? You mean words such as these when He (Jesus) was instructing His hand picked Apostles? "All authority has been given unto ME (Jesus) in heaven and on earth. Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, The Son, and of the Holy Spirit: (Get ready for Jesus's instructions to His Apostles...He said it, not I) TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world." -- Matthew 28:18-20

In other words when the Apostles speak...they speak by the authority of Christ Jesus. What were they to teach? All things commanded by the Christ. Thus, the authority of the Apostle, all the Apostles is unquestioned as Jesus just stated that He was given all authority in Heaven and on Earth. The words of the apostles as recorded are by proxy of Christ's authority...the words of Jesus.

Need more words from Jesus? "Verily, I say unto you (who? He was instructing the apostles) what soever ye shall bind (authorize/command/make law) SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN: and what things ye shall lose (allow) on earth shall be loosed in heaven." -- Matthew 18:18

More? "Being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Himself being the chief cornerstone." -- Eph. 2:20

And just what portion of the Old Law was "I" representing that was not carried forth into the New Covenant of Christ Jesus? Book, Chapter and Verse..please. Clearly you are ignorant of the scriptures and the authority of those Jesus charged with carrying on His teachings after His death, burial and resurrection....every word recorded in scripture is Inspired via the Holy Spirit of God....God breathed.

As far as the Old Law it is still just as valuable today as it was 5000 years ago.....the Old Law is to be used as a spiritual road map to lead people to the Christ, to be used as a book of instruction that those living under the New Testament Covenant of Christ Jesus do not make the same mistakes as those who lived under the law....for the LAW (old testament law) did not have the authority to forgive sin.
 
Ralph said:
Do you "really" believe in what Jesus said and done? Really? But you reject the words coming directly from a hand picked apostle of the Christ? Really

Right....The Book of Romans is in the "Old Testament". Got ya. His Words? You mean words such as these when He (Jesus) was instructing His hand picked Apostles? "All authority has been given unto ME (Jesus) in heaven and on earth. Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, The Son, and of the Holy Spirit: (Get ready for Jesus's instructions to His Apostles...He said it, not I) TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I COMMANDED YOU; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world." -- Matthew 28:18-20

In other words when the Apostles speak...they speak by the authority of Christ Jesus. What were they to teach? All things commanded by the Christ. Thus, the authority of the Apostle, all the Apostles is unquestioned as Jesus just stated that He was given all authority in Heaven and on Earth. The words of the apostles as recorded are by proxy of Christ's authority...the words of Jesus.

Need more words from Jesus? "Verily, I say unto you (who? He was instructing the apostles) what soever ye shall bind (authorize/command/make law) SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN: and what things ye shall lose (allow) on earth shall be loosed in heaven." -- Matthew 18:18

More? "Being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Himself being the chief cornerstone." -- Eph. 2:20

And just what portion of the Old Law was "I" representing that was not carried forth into the New Covenant of Christ Jesus? Book, Chapter and Verse..please. Clearly you are ignorant of the scriptures and the authority of those Jesus charged with carrying on His teachings after His death, burial and resurrection....every word recorded in scripture is Inspired via the Holy Spirit of God....God breathed.

As far as the Old Law it is still just as valuable today as it was 5000 years ago.....the Old Law is to be used as a spiritual road map to lead people to the Christ, to be used as a book of instruction that those living under the New Testament Covenant of Christ Jesus do not make the same mistakes as those who lived under the law....for the LAW (old testament law) did not have the authority to forgive sin.
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“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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domer76 said:
“The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...

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Same "parroted" shopping list from the web that has been debunked ad nauseam....your ass has been kicked with this list previously. Got anything new under the sun? :laugh: Of course you don't.....you are not intelligent enough to project any thought from your own mind. Thus, just like all pseudos you pretend this belongs to you and represents something it does not...truth. If you want your answers there is an "archives" function on this site. ;)
 
Ralph said:
Same "parroted" shopping list from the web that has been debunked ad nauseam....your ass has been kicked with this list previously. Got anything new under the sun? :laugh: Of course you don't.....you are not intelligent enough to project any thought from your own mind. Thus, just like all pseudos you pretend this belongs to you and represents something it does not...truth. If you want your answers there is an "archives" function on this site. ;)
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Round and round he goes, where he stops, everyone knows.
 
Nordberg said:
Do you think that proves anything? http://dustoffthebible.com/Blog-arc...-getting-out-of-bed-than-youll-make-all-year/ ? Do you know an incident does not disprove a rule? Stay home and save the money. Spend your time living your life as you think "god" wants. Spend the time with your family. Much better.
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It disproves the general statement made that preachers lives in mansions and are wealthy.

The rare examples you religion hates provide aren't the rule.

I do spend time with my family. We do it at church quite often listening to a preacher that isn't what you would call wealthy nor lives in a mansion.
 
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