Drinking age

Battleborne said:
at nineteen I was old enough to kick ass,drink beer,vote and fight for my country....WWII ring a bell..nothing changes except politics...you joined at seventeen or so ya said..what was your experience based on reality?
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I believe that she is wrong in her assessment at its face. However, if she truly believes that they are not wise enough to make life-effecting decisions for themselves in order to be consistent she should argue against all their rights as adults as they are too foolish to make that kind of decision.
 
Fair enough...........

Damocles said:
I believe that she is wrong in her assessment at its face. However, if she truly believes that they are not wise enough to make life-effecting decisions for themselves in order to be consistent she should argue against all their rights as adults as they are too foolish to make that kind of decision.
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that is what I was hinting too!:)
 
Battleborne said:
This is how it was with me when growing up...I was in the military at 19 and was not that concerned about drinking as we could buy 3.5 beer at the military clubs...I was a happy camper! Kids need to have a goal and the 21 goal was a good start..kids need to be kids!;)
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LOL!
Surfers have a goal?
 
You just want me so bad it hurts...

Darla said:
Yeah right! Like you could compose that thought, that's a good one, I'll have to remember that. Post "duhhhh" and when someone way smarter than me comes along and posts, say "that is what I was hinting too!"
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Ya can't have me...only conservative babes get that honor..or not...lol
 
Damocles said:
I believe that she is wrong in her assessment at its face. However, if she truly believes that they are not wise enough to make life-effecting decisions for themselves in order to be consistent she should argue against all their rights as adults as they are too foolish to make that kind of decision.
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No. That's not true. Who says it has to be an all or nothing concept?
 
LadyT said:
No. That's not true. Who says it has to be an all or nothing concept?
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Because if they are not wise enough to make their own life decisions they certainly are not wise enough to make decisions for others. It is a progression. You make your own decisions first, then you are allowed to make decisions for others... You can't allow somebody who can't wipe their own nose make decisions for me.
 
Damocles said:
Because if they are not wise enough to make their own life decisions they certainly are not wise enough to make decisions for others. It is a progression. You make your own decisions first, then you are allowed to make decisions for others... You can't allow somebody who can't wipe their own nose make decisions for me.
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You assume that competency -- or whatever metric you apply to "wisdom" -- is a unitary, indivisible attribute. It is not. One may well be competent in some areas and not in others.

Regulation of this kind is always piecemeal compromise.
 
OrnotBitwise said:
You assume that competency -- or whatever metric you apply to "wisdom" -- is a unitary, indivisible attribute. It is not. One may well be competent in some areas and not in others.

Regulation of this kind is always piecemeal compromise.
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However, piecemeal is fine, if they first give them responsibility for themselves and not for me. I reject the idea that they are too foolish to make the decision for their own life, yet are wise enough to make decisions that effect other's.

Again, it is a progression.
 
Battleborne said:
Not well traveled are ya?...Kids in Germany can drink beer in clubs/Guesthouses at sixteen( along with age of consent rights)...and alot of em drive...doh!
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Um I lived there for 3 years and no one can drive till they are 18 doh! And on the Munich and Berlin subways on fridays and saturdays it was swamped with kids going to bars. Doh! and even when the U-bahns shut down the street cars and Taxis run later in the big cities. Doh! So don't try to tell me about Germany. I lived on the economy with a german for almos the entire 3 year stay.
 
Damocles said:
Because if they are not wise enough to make their own life decisions they certainly are not wise enough to make decisions for others. It is a progression. You make your own decisions first, then you are allowed to make decisions for others... You can't allow somebody who can't wipe their own nose make decisions for me.
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Actually I think you could make the argument that tax payers that are 16 and older should be able to vote, but that's just me.
Secondly, we've already decided with the drinking laws that there is a difference in maturity between adults. And if we are going to make that decision as such sending kids off to war should also be taken into consideration.
 
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Oh AND 18 is the Minimum driving age. Lots of Germans don't get a license until there are 20 or 21 because it costs about 2k to get a licence in Germany and the course in between 20 and 40 hours behind the wheel with a professional driving instructor and 10 hours or so of theory class. Also AFTER all that if you get caught DWI in Germany they will take your licence away. Period end of statement. They give it for life and in most dwi instances they take it away for life.
 
here I found this site:

http://www.german-way.com/driving.html

It says in part, When driving on the German Autobahn, one realizes that auto racing is not confined to famous race tracks like the Nürburgring. Germans, and the Austrians and Swiss, like to drive fast, and they have been in love with their cars ever since Carl Benz (1844-1927) invented the first practical motor car in 1885. The company formed by the 1926 merger of the two firms that Benz and fellow automobile inventor Gottlieb Daimler (1834-1900) had created would become the industrial giant Daimler-Benz AG, Germany’s largest concern. (As of Nov. 1998, DaimlerChrysler AG.) But it is Volkswagen AG, headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany, which is now Europe’s largest auto maker. Germany is the third largest producer of automobiles in the world (exceeded only by Japan and the United States) and a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs about $1500-2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life.

In order to rent a car in Europe, non-Europeans need a valid driver’s license from their home state or province. Although the legal driving age is 18, drivers usually must be over 21 (sometimes even older) to rent a car.
 
Okee Dokee..counselor...

Socrtease said:
Um I lived there for 3 years and no one can drive till they are 18 doh! And on the Munich and Berlin subways on fridays and saturdays it was swamped with kids going to bars. Doh! and even when the U-bahns shut down the street cars and Taxis run later in the big cities. Doh! So don't try to tell me about Germany. I lived on the economy with a german for almos the entire 3 year stay.
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I was there from 64-65...different strokes for different folks...did I say anything about legally driving...nope...and you just made my point for me..they do hit the bars legally under 18..what was your point again?;)
 
LadyT said:
Actually I think you could make the argument that tax payers that are 16 and older should be able to vote, but that's just me.
Secondly, we've already decided with the drinking laws that there is a difference in maturity between adults. And if we are going to make that decision as such sending kids off to war should also be taken into consideration.
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No, I think the argument would be, "If they can vote they should be able to go to war!"

Much of the reason voting age was dropped to 18 was because of the issue that many in the service could not vote because of age requirements and "If they can serve they can vote!"
 
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