Drinking age

uscitizen said:
absolutely men should be able to use womens bathrooms as well.
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Not if that means women can use men's restrooms too. Ever compare the lines at the restrooms at public events? It can take an entire game to get into the women's restrooms yet a man can walk in, do his thing and be back in his seat with a hotdog and a beer before the seventh inning stretch is over.

I'm all for restroom segregation!! ;)

Immie
 
Superfreak said:
I have had a problem with this for a long time. How can an individual be both an adult and a minor at the same time? Someone with a greater understanding of the Constitution explain that to me.

If you are 18-20 you can:

1) fight and die for this country
2) vote
3) If you commit a crime you are tried as an adult
4) sign a legally binding contract

BUT....

1) You cannot buy yourself a beer
2) Your second amendment rights are restricted more than other adults
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I came 'of age' post Vietnam, but not so much so that I couldn't buy beer and wine at 18. Lower in Wisconsin.

I've mixed feelings, as it seems to me that many 18 year olds choose to enlist, regardless of legal drinking age. Yet, it does seem wrong, when so many other 'firsts' are allowed then.

Having been 'legal' at the same age, can't say that the sky would fall with a lower age, perhaps as exceptions? Like military sign up?
 
Well after alot of reading this post (I learned alot of good information), I think I have a fair compromise. Stricter punishment of anyone who drives drunk before 25, legal sales of beer and unfortified wine to those below 21, and handgun sales to 18 and above. Enlistment and voting stay the same, and you can buy the hard stuff on base if you enlist. Oh and more drivers training for a license. Most cage drivers suck.
 
Damocles said:
However, piecemeal is fine, if they first give them responsibility for themselves and not for me. I reject the idea that they are too foolish to make the decision for their own life, yet are wise enough to make decisions that effect other's.

Again, it is a progression.
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Damo, you are usually very rational. This sea of non-sequitors is getting rather annoying.
 
Socrtease said:
Oh AND 18 is the Minimum driving age. Lots of Germans don't get a license until there are 20 or 21 because it costs about 2k to get a licence in Germany and the course in between 20 and 40 hours behind the wheel with a professional driving instructor and 10 hours or so of theory class. Also AFTER all that if you get caught DWI in Germany they will take your licence away. Period end of statement. They give it for life and in most dwi instances they take it away for life.
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You made that up.

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/07/army_germany_drinking_070726w/
 
A country known for beer, schnapps and good times is cracking down on teenage drinking and driving.

Germany will activate a new law Aug. 1 that imposes zero-tolerance alcohol restrictions on drivers under age 21, including several thousand U.S. service members and dependents stationed in that country.

Drivers under 21 found to have any level of alcohol in their blood will be subject to a charge of driving under the influence, according to information provided by U.S. Army Europe Headquarters, Heidelberg.

The no-tolerance restrictions also apply to new drivers, regardless of age, who hold two-year probationary German driving licenses.

The standard fine for violations of the new law is $171 at current exchange rates, but can be increased to $240 if property is damaged, according to the Army.

The fines are even stiffer for underage drivers with blood-alcohol levels that reach or exceed the German DUI threshold of .05.

The penalties for a first offense are $344 and potentially a one-month suspension of driving privileges, $688 and a three-month suspension for a second offense, and $1,032 and a three-month suspension for a third.

The new law does not yet apply to U.S. military installations in Germany, according to the U.S. Army Europe Registry of Motor Vehicles.

However, it is common for U.S. military installations to adopt the laws of the host communities, according to the command.




German DUI laws are MUCH lighter than American ones!
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
Well after alot of reading this post (I learned alot of good information), I think I have a fair compromise. Stricter punishment of anyone who drives drunk before 25, legal sales of beer and unfortified wine to those below 21, and handgun sales to 18 and above. Enlistment and voting stay the same, and you can buy the hard stuff on base if you enlist. Oh and more drivers training for a license. Most cage drivers suck.
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I don't really care. I'm going to drink either way. :clink:
 
Runyon said:
I came 'of age' post Vietnam, but not so much so that I couldn't buy beer and wine at 18. Lower in Wisconsin.

I've mixed feelings, as it seems to me that many 18 year olds choose to enlist, regardless of legal drinking age. Yet, it does seem wrong, when so many other 'firsts' are allowed then.

Having been 'legal' at the same age, can't say that the sky would fall with a lower age, perhaps as exceptions? Like military sign up?
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Kid yourself not, the sky would fall.
 
Actually, it's not even illegal for me to consume alcohol in Mississippi. Of course, just about any method of procurement would be illegal, but it would very unikely for anyone to ever get caught in the matter.
 
I'm gonna drink too. Hell my dad is buying my first beer back in the states in less than a week and I can go to just about any bar back home and get served without I.D. (friends of the family).
 
CaptBillyTheKid said:
I'm gonna drink too. Hell my dad is buying my first beer back in the states in less than a week and I can go to just about any bar back home and get served without I.D. (friends of the family).
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You deserve it mate.

And remember, you can never be too good at drinking so make sure you practice frequently.
 
Watermark said:
Damo, even you must know how stupid your arguments are getting.
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No, You must know that I do not advocate a change, other than to allow active duty military all the rights and benefits of adults, and that I am asking a question, not expressing my own opinion.

If you believe that they are too stupid to make decisions for their own lives why would you want them making decisions for yours?

Same person:
Too stupid to join the military...

Should choose who leads the military...

The two do not equate.
 
Watermark said:
Damo, you are usually very rational. This sea of non-sequitors is getting rather annoying.
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This is not a non-sequitor, you must not know what that means if you think an argument about personal responsibility as opposed to a larger responsibility doesn't belong in a thread about personal responsibility as opposed to larger responsibility.

You used to be very smart before you started emoting all over the board and assuming my opinion rather than reading my posts. Calling something "non-sequitor" all the time is not an argument, unless you are in training to become Stockdale Jr.
 
Damocles said:
No, You must know that I do not advocate a change and that I am asking a question. If you believe that they are too stupid to make decisions for their own lives why would you want them making decisions for yours?
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I think a lot of people are too stupid to vote. That's not the point.

Pretending that an 18 year old is any way emotionally capable of withstanding the damage inflicted upon him or her by a war zone in an occupied country is unrealistic.

But, when they start killing themselves in even larger numbers than they are now, as more and more come home, and a couple of years pass, and they still haven't readjusted and have become unemployed and unemployable drunks and drug addicts, maybe you will get it.
 
Darla said:
I think a lot of people are too stupid to vote. That's not the point.

Pretending that an 18 year old is any way emotionally capable of withstanding the damage inflicted upon him or her by a war zone in an occupied country is unrealistic.

But, when they start killing themselves in even larger numbers than they are now, as more and more come home, and a couple of years pass, and they still haven't readjusted and have become unemployed and unemployable drunks and drug addicts, maybe you will get it.
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Nobody is psychologically prepared for heavy combat zones. Pretending it gets better when you get older is just pretense.

No matter how many times you suggest it. 'Too stupid to join' does not equate to 'smart enough to hire the commander'.
 
Damocles said:
Nobody is psychologically prepared for heavy combat zones. Pretending it gets better when you get older is just pretense.

No matter how many times you suggest it. 'Too stupid to join' does not equate to 'smart enough to hire the commander'.
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It has nothing to do with being stupid! And of course, as you get older, you have a better moral foundation to work from, the confidence to keep your own counsel even admist severe peer pressure, and the experience to know that life is not necessarily a darkened hell you will never pull your way out of.

Yes, it's always very bad. You know, that's why I hold the positions I do on war. But to put an 18 year old in the midst of it...no matter how many times you say it's ok, or has any bearing on whether or not a person is capable of casting a vote, I'm not going to think it's ok.
 
Darla said:
It has nothing to do with being stupid! And of course, as you get older, you have a better moral foundation to work from, the confidence to keep your own counsel even admist severe peer pressure, and the experience to know that life is not necessarily a darkened hell you will never pull your way out of.

Yes, it's always very bad. You know, that's why I hold the positions I do on war. But to put an 18 year old in the midst of it...no matter how many times you say it's ok, or has any bearing on whether or not a person is capable of casting a vote, I'm not going to think it's ok.
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That is fine, but if they are not ready to be treated like adults would be treated then they are not ready for the responsibility of adults. First you gain responsibility for yourself, then for others.
 
Reading this thread has convinced me that Cypress would argue in support of more regulation for absolutely anything.
 
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