EV drivers struggle to find charging stations

[Truck Fump / h1b]

I know you're wrong. The grid will be just fine. You have no scientific proof it can't. NY Post and InforWars don't count.

no.

you are wrong.

 

[RB 60]

You can have one installed at your home for one-time cost or just use your mobile cord in a regular 120v outlet. At public charging stations it's about $1.50/hour or about $11 for a full charge.

Be nice.

I didn't know they came with a mobile cord.
That doesn't seem to be expensive to charge at a public charging station, but it does seem to take some time (about 8 hours) for a full charge.

Thanks!

 

[LurchAddams]

I didn't know they came with a mobile cord.
That doesn't seem to be expensive to charge at a public charging station, but it does seem to take some time (about 8 hours) for a full charge.

Thanks!

No, DC public fast charging stations can provide a full charge in 45 minutes. Home charging on a 120v outlet takes 8 - 10 hours, but most people eat dinner and sleep at night anyway. Even if you don't have 8-10 hours, most people don't drive 300 miles to work and don't need a full charge in the morning.

 

[RB 60]

No, DC public fast charging stations can provide a full charge in 45 minutes. Home charging on a 120v outlet takes 8 - 10 hours, but most people eat dinner and sleep at night anyway. Even if you don't have 8-10 hours, most people don't drive 300 miles to work and don't need a full charge in the morning.

They can charge with DC current and AC current? I didn't know that. That's interesting. I know technology has come a long way, but I do know the older (automotive) batteries wear out quicker when fast charged. As for the all night charge, I'd think one would have to have a garage to charge them in, especially here in the cold Northeast. And the cold would eat up some of the charge running a heater, especially in a long commute to and from work. I would think an AC in the summer would eat up a bit more.
The charging stations I've seen have a large panel (looks more like a large transformer) for each cord, they were at a Sheets next to the restaurant we stopped to eat at just outside of Philly. If I recall, there were 3 or 4 cars on those chargers. I believe there were 5 chargers there, each with it's own "transformer."

Don't get me wrong, I don't "hate" EV's. For me, I just don't think it would be worth it to rewire my garage to charge one, especially since I keep my Cobra in my one-car garage. And to put a station outside, I'd need to put in a new electrical panel in my house to wire another major 220V line.

 

[LurchAddams]

They can charge with DC current and AC current? I didn't know that. That's interesting. I know technology has come a long way, but I do know the older (automotive) batteries wear out quicker when fast charged. As for the all night charge, I'd think one would have to have a garage to charge them in, especially here in the cold Northeast. And the cold would eat up some of the charge running a heater, especially in a long commute to and from work. I would think an AC in the summer would eat up a bit more.
The charging stations I've seen have a large panel (looks more like a large transformer) for each cord, they were at a Sheets next to the restaurant we stopped to eat at just outside of Philly. If I recall, there were 3 or 4 cars on those chargers. I believe there were 5 chargers there, each with it's own "transformer."

Don't get me wrong, I don't "hate" EV's. For me, I just don't think it would be worth it to rewire my garage to charge one, especially since I keep my Cobra in my one-car garage. And to put a station outside, I'd need to put in a new electrical panel in my house to wire another major 220V line.

EV's are not for everyone. For those who use them for short commutes, home charging works fine. For long trips - there are charging stations along every major corridor.

You are correct that fast charging is not recommended as the only method of charging EV's batteries. For the rare occasions that people take long, multi-day trips it makes sense.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No, DC public fast charging stations can provide a full charge in 45 minutes. Home charging on a 120v outlet takes 8 - 10 hours, but most people eat dinner and sleep at night anyway. Even if you don't have 8-10 hours, most people don't drive 300 miles to work and don't need a full charge in the morning.

480 VAC stations charge quicker too, but those are commercial only. The home charging ones at 240 VAC will take 8 to 12 hours while a 120 VAC one takes a couple of days.

The problem is when you continuously top off your battery after using say 20% of the charge, the batteries can develop a "memory." That is, they become conditioned to this and you suddenly find you have a battery pack that has half the range or less it should have. Doing lots of fast charges isn't good for a battery either because of the heat generated--yes, there is a cooling system but the core of each cell is still going to get hot--that can degrade the battery's life significantly.

 

[RB 60]

480 VAC stations charge quicker too, but those are commercial only. The home charging ones at 240 VAC will take 8 to 12 hours while a 120 VAC one takes a couple of days.

The problem is when you continuously top off your battery after using say 20% of the charge, the batteries can develop a "memory." That is, they become conditioned to this and you suddenly find you have a battery pack that has half the range or less it should have. Doing lots of fast charges isn't good for a battery either because of the heat generated--yes, there is a cooling system but the core of each cell is still going to get hot--that can degrade the battery's life significantly.

I was wondering about that "memory" effect, too. It's the same with any battery.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I was wondering about that "memory" effect, too. It's the same with any battery.

It varies some. That is, some batteries are worse than others. Cell failure is another serious issue. You can get "treeing" that shorts out the cell. One failed cell out of the 7000+ in a car battery will kill the range to nothing PDQ and now you need $10 to $30,000 worth of new battery since the ones they're putting in today can't be fixed due to being potted.

 

[Nordberg]

480 VAC stations charge quicker too, but those are commercial only. The home charging ones at 240 VAC will take 8 to 12 hours while a 120 VAC one takes a couple of days.

The problem is when you continuously top off your battery after using say 20% of the charge, the batteries can develop a "memory." That is, they become conditioned to this and you suddenly find you have a battery pack that has half the range or less it should have. Doing lots of fast charges isn't good for a battery either because of the heat generated--yes, there is a cooling system but the core of each cell is still going to get hot--that can degrade the battery's life significantly.

Do you think that EV owners drive the battery down to zero every day? They do not. The average person drives well under 50 miles a day. They just top off the car at night or at stops they make. Charging is a far shorter time that ICE liars claim. Charging is not a big consideration in EVs. You just plug in at night and have a full, charge every day. You do not have to use public chargers. You just do it out of convenience.

 

[Nordberg]

You claim to never go to charging stations. You charge at home, remember?

The PNW.

Nope. There's a line at the nearby charging station right now.

Don't need any.

I don't need to own an EV to see the line. I don't need to own an EV to know how long they take to charge. I don't need to own an EV to understand the problems with range and performance. I don't need to own an EV to understand Li-ion batteries and what they can do and what they have done (destroy cars, container ships, etc). I don't need to own an EV to observe a freeway and see that less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. I don't need to own an EV to see the problems with lithium supplies, cobalt supplies, electrical supplies, or the difficulty in maintaining them that YOU IGNORE.
I don't need to own an EV to watch government steal my money to pay for YOUR incentives, and to impose mandates for EVs. I don't need to own an EV to understand the science you reject, the engineering you reject, or the math you reject, or the history you reject.

Strawman fallacy.

Then why are you absolutely wrong about it?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Then why are you absolutely wrong about it?

he's not.

you're wrong, enviro-fascist gaslighter.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

EV's are not for everyone. For those who use them for short commutes, home charging works fine. For long trips - there are charging stations along every major corridor.

You are correct that fast charging is not recommended as the only method of charging EV's batteries. For the rare occasions that people take long, multi-day trips it makes sense.

you're an idiot.

 

[Into the Night]

Then why are you absolutely wrong about it?

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

480 VAC stations charge quicker too, but those are commercial only. The home charging ones at 240 VAC will take 8 to 12 hours while a 120 VAC one takes a couple of days.

The problem is when you continuously top off your battery after using say 20% of the charge, the batteries can develop a "memory." That is, they become conditioned to this and you suddenly find you have a battery pack that has half the range or less it should have. Doing lots of fast charges isn't good for a battery either because of the heat generated--yes, there is a cooling system but the core of each cell is still going to get hot--that can degrade the battery's life significantly.

The more rapid you charge a Li-ion cell, the faster it is damaged. Charging generates heat. The faster you charge, the more heat. You can also easily set your battery pack on fire this way.
Charging Li-ion cells moves lithium ions through a membrane. As they move, they drag some of the NCA (aluminum, nickel, cobalt) layer with it, leaving a kind of 'dendrite'. The more rapid the charge cycle, the more prevalent these 'dendrites' become, until the battery is unable to maintain a charge anymore (it's internally shorted).

Rapid charge destroys these batteries, and they ain't cheap.

 

[Nordberg]

Argument of the Stone fallacy.

Nope. I and others have refuted every far-right belief you espouse about EVs and politics. They bounce off your stone hard completely conned brain. You are simply wrong and refuse to do any real investigations.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Do you think that EV owners drive the battery down to zero every day? They do not. The average person drives well under 50 miles a day. They just top off the car at night or at stops they make. Charging is a far shorter time that ICE liars claim. Charging is not a big consideration in EVs. You just plug in at night and have a full, charge every day. You do not have to use public chargers. You just do it out of convenience.

No, I don't I'm just using that as a standard. If on the other hand, all you do is drive a short distance each day and then recharge you risk the battery developing a 'memory' as I discussed and when you do need the full range you find you don't have it because you kept charging the battery on partial discharge.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The more rapid you charge a Li-ion cell, the faster it is damaged. Charging generates heat. The faster you charge, the more heat. You can also easily set your battery pack on fire this way.
Charging Li-ion cells moves lithium ions through a membrane. As they move, they drag some of the NCA (aluminum, nickel, cobalt) layer with it, leaving a kind of 'dendrite'. The more rapid the charge cycle, the more prevalent these 'dendrites' become, until the battery is unable to maintain a charge anymore (it's internally shorted).

Rapid charge destroys these batteries, and they ain't cheap.

Resorting to the "Reader's Digest" version for simplicity, this is called "Treeing" in a battery.

In electrical engineering, treeing is an electrical pre-breakdown phenomenon in solid insulation. It is a damaging process due to partial discharges and progresses through the stressed dielectric insulation, in a path resembling the branches of a tree. Treeing of solid high-voltage cable insulation is a common breakdown mechanism and source of electrical faults in underground power cables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect...down,a path resembling the branches of a tree.

 

[Nordberg]

No, I don't I'm just using that as a standard. If on the other hand, all you do is drive a short distance each day and then recharge you risk the battery developing a 'memory' as I discussed and when you do need the full range you find you don't have it because you kept charging the battery on partial discharge.

latest recommendations are to keep it between 20 and 80 percent. However, batteries are not failing. Consumer Report says batteries are good for at least 200,000 miles which is 17 years.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. I and others have refuted every far-right belief you espouse about EVs and politics. They bounce off your stone hard completely conned brain. You are simply wrong and refuse to do any real investigations.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy. Attempted proof by void.

 

[Into the Night]

No, I don't I'm just using that as a standard. If on the other hand, all you do is drive a short distance each day and then recharge you risk the battery developing a 'memory' as I discussed and when you do need the full range you find you don't have it because you kept charging the battery on partial discharge.

Li-ion cells don't have the problem with 'memory' that the NiCad cells do.
Leaving a Li-ion battery partially charged does not damage it.
Recharging damages a Li-ion battery. The higher the charging current, the more damage.