EV drivers struggle to find charging stations

T. A. Gardner said:
Resorting to the "Reader's Digest" version for simplicity, this is called "Treeing" in a battery.

In electrical engineering, treeing is an electrical pre-breakdown phenomenon in solid insulation. It is a damaging process due to partial discharges and progresses through the stressed dielectric insulation, in a path resembling the branches of a tree. Treeing of solid high-voltage cable insulation is a common breakdown mechanism and source of electrical faults in underground power cables.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elect...down,a path resembling the branches of a tree.
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One way to put it, yes. The charges involved are the heavy lithium ions (the electrons go around). This problem occurs in any battery technology that uses separators (as Li-ion batteries do).
In liquid electrolyte batteries, such as lead-acid, the failure mode is a bit different. That takes the form of lead sulfate salts building up in the bottom of the battery box until they start touching the places, internally shorting out the battery.
Most manufacturers leave enough space so the battery lasts about five years under normal conditions. If you allow these batteries to sit discharged very long, their life is shortened since lead sulfate precipitates out of solution under this condition.
 
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Nordberg said:
latest recommendations are to keep it between 20 and 80 percent. However, batteries are not failing. Consumer Report says batteries are good for at least 200,000 miles which is 17 years.
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Bullshit.
Charging a Li-ion battery damages it. The faster you charge it, the more damage is done per charge.

You have already stated that you don't take care of your cars.
 
Into the Night said:
Bullshit.
Charging a Li-ion battery damages it. The faster you charge it, the more damage is done per charge.

You have already stated that you don't take care of your cars.
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You are as usual wrong. Consumers Reports says EV batteries are good for at least 200,000 miles. That is 17 years. You would go through a couple of engine changes, transmission repairs, mufflers, maintenance, and replacements, tun, oilchanges and so much more. I take my car to dealers.
 
Nordberg said:
You are as usual wrong. Consumers Reports says EV batteries are good for at least 200,000 miles. That is 17 years. You would go through a couple of engine changes, transmission repairs, mufflers, maintenance, and replacements, tun, oilchanges and so much more. I take my car to dealers.
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False authority fallacy. Speculation. Compositional error fallacy. Unit error. I already know you don't take care of your car. You said so. You don't take to dealers. You said so.
Are you going to deny your own posts again?
 
Into the Night said:
False authority fallacy. Speculation. Compositional error fallacy. Unit error. I already know you don't take care of your car. You said so. You don't take to dealers. You said so.
Are you going to deny your own posts again?
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You know that? Of course, I go to the dealership for routine maintenance . Tire rotation and updates are all I ever need. They send me emails saying when I should come in.
 
I got confused when they started putting changing stations in men's rooms.
Now they've apparently become an issue again.
 
I wonder... What does someone who lives in an apartment complex, or has to street park do to charge their car? If the complex refuses to install stations and a city won't put them on every street where people street park, what do those people do to keep their car charged?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I wonder... What does someone who lives in an apartment complex, or has to street park do to charge their car? If the complex refuses to install stations and a city won't put them on every street where people street park, what do those people do to keep their car charged?
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Not a bad question, TAG.
Maybe it will be like cell phones towers; they'll spring up when actually needed--but we don't know that.
 
Nordberg said:
You are as usual wrong.
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YOUR issue, not his.

Nordberg said:
Consumers Reports says
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Great. So Nordberg has nothing of his own to say? Nordberg can't think for himself? Got it.

Nordberg said:
EV batteries are good for at least 200,000 miles.
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Here, the errors of Consumer Reports are now the errors of Nordberg because Nordberg can't think for himself.

Nordberg said:
That is 17 years.
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Miles are not years.

Nordberg said:
You would go through a couple of engine changes, transmission repairs, mufflers, maintenance, and replacements, tun, oilchanges and so much more.
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Nah. The only real issue I've had with my primary vehicle to date was an issue with the torque converter, of course juuuuuust after the warranty expired (in terms of time, not mileage). The dealership initially quoted me some outrageous ~$8,000 amount to fix it (they wanted to replace the whole transmission, replace the water pump, and some other misc smaller things that needed to be done (air filters? I don't remember).

I told them that I wasn't going to pay that kind of money and then later took it in to my own mechanic. He inspected the transmission and told me that only the torque converter needed to be replaced (and that the dealership was full of shit about the whole tranny needing replacement), inspected the water pump and told me that it was just fine (and that the dealership was full of shit about it needing replacement), and then he handled the other misc smaller things while he was at it, all for a fraction of the cost that the dealership thought they'd rip me off for. I've had no transmission issues since then, and the water pump has been perfectly fine to this day.

My engine has not needed changing, my transmission (other than the torque converter issue) has been fine, my muffler has been fine, and I have otherwise only had to do maintenance for the typical wear/tear items (e.g. oil, brakes, tires). Oh, I had to put a new battery in once, but since it's not an EV, the battery only costed roughly $100 and I am capable of replacing it myself.

My secondary vehicle currently has no AC and has an issue with the air system itself (it will go on defrost and vent, but not onto feet... it also does wacky things with the air temp and distribution if I don't manipulate the settings just right, such as blowing hot air out of the driver side vent while blowing cold air out of the passenger side vent, or blowing cooler air when it should be blowing warmer air... stupid automatic/electronic shit... I like more simplistic/manual knobs instead like what my RAV4 has... I digress). I have not had those issues fixed because they do not affect the vehicle getting from point A to point B, and I'm not about to drop what I'm sure would easily clear $1,000 to fix it, depending on what is all wrong with the air system. I can still get hot air out of it for colder weather (even though it sucks that I can't adjust it to feet) and opening the windows works fine whenever there's hotter weather, so I save my money and deal with it.

Other than those issues that I've decided to leave as be, I've only spent money on wear/tear items, and I did the battery and light bulb replacements myself.

Nordberg said:
I take my car to dealers.
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Apparently you've already said that you don't.
 
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gfm7175 said:
YOUR issue, not his.


Great. So Nordberg has nothing of his own to say? Nordberg can't think for himself? Got it.


Here, the errors of Consumer Reports are now the errors of Nordberg because Nordberg can't think for himself.


Miles are not years.


Nah. The only real issue I've had with my vehicle to date was an issue with the torque converter, of course juuuuuust after the warranty expired (in terms of time, not mileage). The dealership initially quoted me some outrageous ~$8,000 amount to fix it (they wanted to replace the whole transmission, replace the water pump, and some other misc smaller things that needed to be done (air filters? I don't remember).

I told them that I wasn't going to pay that kind of money and then later took it in to my own mechanic. He inspected the transmission and told me that only the torque converter needed to be replaced (and that the dealership was full of shit about the whole tranny needing replacement), inspected the water pump and told me that it was just fine (and that the dealership was full of shit about it needing replacement), and then he handled the other misc smaller things while he was at it, all for a fraction of the cost that the dealership thought they'd rip me off for. I've had no transmission issues since then, and the water pump has been perfectly fine to this day.

My engine has not needed changing, my transmission (other than the torque converter issue) has been fine, my muffler has been fine, and I have otherwise only had to do maintenance for the typical wear/tear items (e.g. oil, brakes, tires). Oh, I had to put a new battery in once, but since it's not an EV, the battery only costed roughly $100 and I am capable of replacing it myself.


Apparently you've already said that you don't.
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How fucking stupid are you? Cars are rated at 12,000 miles a year, which is what the average American drive. 12,000 miles represents one year of driving. Now think about it. Ruminate for a while. Maybe you can understand that mileage is time too.
I did not say I do not take care of my car. Stop lying. I told your ignorant ass that EVs require a lot less maintenance and repair. You even argued about that absolute fact.
 
ptif219 said:
Stating truth and facts is not hate
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The poor disregard and disdain you have for others that do not agree with you politically is pure hatred.

And it is as unnecessary and foolish as right handed people hating people for being left handed, because they are different.

There is no perfect political party, and there is no perfect people, and our world was not made perfect with everyone that agrees with each other, and looks like each other.

There is always going to be truth and facts, but, the the truth and facts are not political, and no one is entitled to their very own truths and facts.

When the truth and facts do not play into your political narratives, you ignore the truth and the facts, and make up your own truth and facts, for the reason of playing into your political narratives and agenda. You may want to check and see if your political narratives and agenda is based on Hatred for others. That may be the problem right there to begin with.

Well guess what? The truth and facts hurt sometimes.

And people that cannot accept the truth and facts, have nefarious agendas of self-interest, and causes chaos, discourse, and malfeasance in government and society.

So Sir, you are not permitted to have your own facts and TRUTHS. We all have to share the facts and the truth, THEY DO NOT BELONG TO YOU TO MANIPULATE AND DISTORT FOR POLITICAL AND HATEFUL REASONS.
 
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Nordberg said:
How fucking stupid are you?
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This is a question that you should be asking yourself.

Nordberg said:
Cars are rated at 12,000 miles a year,
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A meaningless statement.

Nordberg said:
which is what the average American drive.
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What is the basis for, and methodology used, regarding that claim?

Nordberg said:
12,000 miles represents one year of driving.
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See above.

Speaking for myself, I drive a bit over 10,000 miles per year with my primary vehicle and about 5,000 miles per year with my secondary vehicle (but that number was down quite a bit in 2022, maybe only about 3,500 miles instead). Your mileage likely varies significantly from mine.

Nordberg said:
Now think about it. Ruminate for a while. Maybe you can understand that mileage is time too.
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Mileage is not time.

Nordberg said:
I did not say I do not take care of my car. Stop lying. I told your ignorant ass that EVs require a lot less maintenance and repair. You even argued about that absolute fact.
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If you think so, then you're obviously not taking very good care of your EV...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I wonder... What does someone who lives in an apartment complex, or has to street park do to charge their car? If the complex refuses to install stations and a city won't put them on every street where people street park, what do those people do to keep their car charged?
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The only option, of course, is to use a public charging station. Some larger employers do provide a few charging stations. Otherwise, you have to waste your time at these things charging your car.
 
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