Evolution Is In Trouble - Detailed - Why So Many Scientist Are Saying So

Tobytone said:
ROFL I can respond to this while I'm watching this incredible moment in history. Trump's signing EOs and they're AWESOME. For anyone that reads any following statements by this moronic libtard drone, understand I've been down the same road that this simpleton is attempting to drag me down. That's why you'll be seeing my new favorite response to impossible drones: Your concerns are noted.

I read the first line of his comment and quickly realized he might just be Keith Olbermann. There are many similarities. He started out telling me that my example of throwing all the parts and pieces of a smart watch into a cup and shaking it, then tossing it on a table repeatedly until the random action somehow resulted in an assembled working watch, would be easier than random mutations somehow arranging all the parts of what we now know of as an incredibly complex single cell in the correct order necessary. There are details about that complexity in my original OP.
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You completely ignore that the current DNA of everything living today isn't randomly thrown together. It is the result of hundreds of millions of years of evolution in cells. There are currently estimated to be 5 x10 to the 30th power bacteria on earth in any given day. Each of those bacteria can reproduce daily. This is the kind of numbers we are talking about that allow for the evolution of cells that you claim couldn't have happened.
The current result was not directed. It's what worked over time.
Tobytone said:
Anyways, this moron starts out saying, "obviously I have no idea how a smart watch is assembled." LOL, what a tool. Seriously, he got me, I haven't looked it up like I'm sure he did, unless he's one of the poor souls putting them together. I could have just as easily used the clippers he used to shave his head in November to make the point that flew right over the libtard drone's head. It's always a good laugh to see these supposedly 'educated' imbeciles trying to make a coherent argument, (as if college makes anyone intelligent, if he had a decent middle school education he would know that) but for drones like poor Dicky, it can be a bore. ROFL
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A smart watch is electronic. For it to be the size it is, it has very few parts. All the electronics are probably on one chip. There are no moving parts like in a classic wind up watch. It could be as few as a dozen parts that would need to assemble to be a working smart watch. I don't have to look it up since I am familiar with electronics and how and why computers have gotten smaller and faster.
Tobytone said:
Wow, Trump just did so many things we desperately needed. Think of all the operations taking place rounding up a bunch of thugs right now. J6 hostages are going home very soon. The wall will continue, Energy prices will be dropping soon because he declared a national emergency. lol I'll stop now, libtards are hurting enough for the moment.
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Think of all the thugs being let out of prison by Trump. How many of them will commit crimes again and it will all be because of Trump?
Tobytone said:
SO POOR DICKY NOW THAT ANYONE WHO CARES CAN SEE WHY I'M USING THIS REPLY WITH YOU AND OTHER COPIES OF YOU HERE'S YOUR ANSWER GOING FORWARD
YOUR CONCERN ARE NOTED
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Your ignorance is noted.
Your poor grammar is also noted.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You completely ignore that the current DNA of everything living today isn't randomly thrown together. It is the result of hundreds of millions of years of evolution in cells. There are currently estimated to be 5 x10 to the 30th power bacteria on earth in any given day. Each of those bacteria can reproduce daily. This is the kind of numbers we are talking about that allow for the evolution of cells that you claim couldn't have happened.
The current result was not directed. It's what worked over time.

A smart watch is electronic. For it to be the size it is, it has very few parts. All the electronics are probably on one chip. There are no moving parts like in a classic wind up watch. It could be as few as a dozen parts that would need to assemble to be a working smart watch. I don't have to look it up since I am familiar with electronics and how and why computers have gotten smaller and faster.

Think of all the thugs being let out of prison by Trump. How many of them will commit crimes again and it will all be because of Trump?

Your ignorance is noted.
Your poor grammar is also noted.
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YOUR CONCERNS ARE NOTED
 
Into the Night said:
Threads about the Theory of Evolution (which is also a religion) tend to also wander into the Theory of Creation for some reason, even though these two theories are not mutually exclusive.

English as a language didn't appear until around 450 AD.

The language used by Adam is unknown.
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So much face-palm in that post.
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
i said it;s infuriating, and yet I love it.

it;s infuriating because it is technically slightly respectful, but also slightly dismissive and boilerplate.

It might be too complex a thought for your dumb mind to understand.
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*whoosh!* Riiiiight over your head! I think it had exactly the effect he intended.
 
Into the Night said:
Threads about the Theory of Evolution (which is also a religion) tend to also wander into the Theory of Creation for some reason, even though these two theories are not mutually exclusive.

English as a language didn't appear until around 450 AD.

The language used by Adam is unknown.
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The language of Adam is unknown because there was no Adam. JFC, who the fuck do you think was there documenting the dialogue of the events? Other humans? The media? Someone with a camcorder or smart phone? It's all fairy tales.
 
Tobytone said:
ROFL I can respond to this while I'm watching this incredible moment in history. Trump's signing EOs and they're AWESOME. For anyone that reads any following statements by this moronic libtard drone, understand I've been down the same road that this simpleton is attempting to drag me down. That's why you'll be seeing my new favorite response to impossible drones: Your concerns are noted.

I read the first line of his comment and quickly realized he might just be Keith Olbermann. There are many similarities. He started out telling me that my example of throwing all the parts and pieces of a smart watch into a cup and shaking it, then tossing it on a table repeatedly until the random action somehow resulted in an assembled working watch, would be easier than random mutations somehow arranging all the parts of what we now know of as an incredibly complex single cell in the correct order necessary. There are details about that complexity in my original OP.

Anyways, this moron starts out saying, "obviously I have no idea how a smart watch is assembled." LOL, what a tool. Seriously, he got me, I haven't looked it up like I'm sure he did, unless he's one of the poor souls putting them together. I could have just as easily used the clippers he used to shave his head in November to make the point that flew right over the libtard drone's head. It's always a good laugh to see these supposedly 'educated' imbeciles trying to make a coherent argument, (as if college makes anyone intelligent, if he had a decent middle school education he would know that) but for drones like poor Dicky, it can be a bore. ROFL

Wow, Trump just did so many things we desperately needed. Think of all the operations taking place rounding up a bunch of thugs right now. J6 hostages are going home very soon. The wall will continue, Energy prices will be dropping soon because he declared a national emergency. lol I'll stop now, libtards are hurting enough for the moment.

SO POOR DICKY NOW THAT ANYONE WHO CARES CAN SEE WHY I'M USING THIS REPLY WITH YOU AND OTHER COPIES OF YOU HERE'S YOUR ANSWER GOING FORWARD
YOUR CONCERN ARE NOTED
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The 'smart watch' argument against the Theory of Abiogenesis is an old one, and still sound.
There is another problem, which builds a paradox with this theory.

Let's just say, for laughs, that somehow a cell DID manage to come about through a series of random unspecified events.

What's it going to eat? How is it not only going to survive, but gain enough energy to divide into two cells?

Photosynthesis is a complex process requiring complex structures. Our little primitive cell can't make use of light.

Let's just say, again for laughs, that TWO cells appeared independently. Now one cell can eat the other. Now you have one cell dividing into two.
...now what? Ad infinitum?

BTW, the Watch Argument also assumes the watch is also wound and set to the correct time (randomly, of course!).

It is my belief that, like the Universe, life has always existed and always will, and that it came to Earth through the action of an intelligence (that doesn't have to be a god, BTW!). For all we know, it could have been some alien race that had a horrible lab accident, and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

Or, it could be roughly as the Bible describes...that life was put on this Earth for a purpose.

Both are nonscientific theories, of course.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Your argument relies on pure ignorance.

Let's examine your third paragraph and find the errors.

First you don't seem to even understand how a smart watch is built and functions since you bring up gears, levers, motors and shafts. Smart watches have none of those things.
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Actually, they do. Not as many as a mechanical watch, to be sure, but they do have levers and shafts, and some have gears and motors.
But in the end it's irrelevant. The argument of a watch assembling itself, lubricating itself as necessary, winding itself, and setting itself to the correct time; all by random chance, is an example of how ridiculous the Theory of Abiogenesis is.

The theory of Abiogenesis also ignores the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Then you don't seem to understand that atoms form molecules within certain rules and they form them without being tossed around in a cup.
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Tell that to a chemist carefully stirring his solutions, decanting them, boiling them, etc. When I make black powder, that's exactly what I do...toss it around in a cup (actually, a couple 5 gal buckets).
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Then you seem to think that you tossing items in a cup would equal the number of times that atoms have formed DNA molecules in the last billion years. The DNA in you personally has probably formed new cells more times than you could shake a cup in a lifetime or even in 1,000 lifetimes.
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DNA is not a cell. A cell is a very complex structure containing lots of bits coordinating together for the cell's survival.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You make same rather large errors with this sentence -

It would be far easier than the process of creating and
assembling the myriad of components within every cell, along with 3,000,000,000 pairs of
genome that must be in a precise order

There is no precise order of a genome.
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There certainly is. A genome cannot manufacture the required molecules for the cell if a sequence is out of order.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
When it comes to the genome it often introduces errors when duplicating itself.
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I guess you never heard of telomeres and their function in the copying process.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Your genome is not the same precise order as my genome
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It mostly is...about 99% of the genome is the same for all humans.

Poor Richard Saunders said:
and all the cells in your body don't have the same precise order.
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They certainly do. ALL cells in your body contain the same genome. The only difference between a heart cell and a nerve cell are which genomes are expressed.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You start with the erroneous assumption that the result was intentional and then argue that because it was intentional it must be designed.
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I believe it was designed. I've already described the problems with the Theory of Abiogenesis.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
That is a false argument. The result is the random result that occurred, reproduced and survived. While the odds of that result may be small the odds of a result are close to 100%.
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Las Vegas LOVES people like you. Go hit that craps table!
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The rest of your screed is completely ridiculous as you prove you know as much about science as you do about how a smart watch works.
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Religion is not science. Science is not being discussed here.
 
Into the Night said:
The 'smart watch' argument against the Theory of Abiogenesis is an old one, and still sound.
There is another problem, which builds a paradox with this theory.

Let's just say, for laughs, that somehow a cell DID manage to come about through a series of random unspecified events.

What's it going to eat? How is it not only going to survive, but gain enough energy to divide into two cells?

Photosynthesis is a complex process requiring complex structures. Our little primitive cell can't make use of light.

Let's just say, again for laughs, that TWO cells appeared independently. Now one cell can eat the other. Now you have one cell dividing into two.
...now what? Ad infinitum?

BTW, the Watch Argument also assumes the watch is also wound and set to the correct time (randomly, of course!).

It is my belief that, like the Universe, life has always existed and always will, and that it came to Earth through the action of an intelligence (that doesn't have to be a god, BTW!). For all we know, it could have been some alien race that had a horrible lab accident, and they dumped it on Earth to get rid of it.

Or, it could be roughly as the Bible describes...that life was put on this Earth for a purpose.

Both are nonscientific theories, of course.
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All good stuff, maybe I had heard the smartwatch thing, but honestly I don't think so, I was literally looking at one when I was thinking what to use as an example. No shit, not that it matters.

Your alien theory might be fun to discuss. I've always been interested in Astronomy. I remember in middle school learning the basics of what we knew at the time, which was very limited compared to today. Then, in the mid to late '90s, the first deep field images were taken when............can't remember who, aimed Hubble at a tiny blank spot in our vast night sky and left the aperture open for days. The image that came back floored everyone, including me, of course.

I get your point, and you know we're a result of intelligent design. With today's technology, it's really getting difficult for anyone to say it was random mutations that got us here. Anyways, I have my own thoughts about the likelihood of advanced aliens ever existing anywhere. I think I have some fairly solid logic that backs up my opinion. That said, maybe another day if you're up for it.
 
Tobytone said:
All good stuff, maybe I had heard the smartwatch thing, but honestly I don't think so, I was literally looking at one when I was thinking what to use as an example. No shit, not that it matters.

Your alien theory might be fun to discuss. I've always been interested in Astronomy. I remember in middle school learning the basics of what we knew at the time, which was very limited compared to today. Then, in the mid to late '90s, the first deep field images were taken when............can't remember who, aimed Hubble at a tiny blank spot in our vast night sky and left the aperture open for days. The image that came back floored everyone, including me, of course.

I get your point, and you know we're a result of intelligent design. With today's technology, it's really getting difficult for anyone to say it was random mutations that got us here. Anyways, I have my own thoughts about the likelihood of advanced aliens ever existing anywhere. I think I have some fairly solid logic that backs up my opinion. That said, maybe another day if you're up for it.
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why does it matter who created us of how we got here?

morality is still the best thing for modern man.

and that's objective thing having nothing to do with creation.


you people are just mental time wasters.

like philosophy professors.
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
why does it matter who created us of how we got here?

morality is still the best thing for modern man.

and that's objective thing having nothing to do with creation.


you people are just mental time wasters.

like philosophy professors.
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It's important that people know how and why we're all sinners. It's a question that nags at peoples very soul, and it can be and needs to be fixed. There's far too much hate and suffering in the world. Suffering and hate can't be eliminated, but can be reduced.
 
Tobytone said:
It's important that people know how and why we're all sinners. It's a question that nags at peoples very soul, and it can be and needs to be fixed. There's far too much hate and suffering in the world. Suffering and hate can't be eliminated, but can be reduced.
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are you a Zionist?
 
Tobytone said:
It's important that people know how and why we're all sinners. It's a question that nags at peoples very soul, and it can be and needs to be fixed. There's far too much hate and suffering in the world. Suffering and hate can't be eliminated, but can be reduced.
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this has nothing to do with morality.

as doesn't Zionism.
 
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