EV's now more expensive in time and money to refuel than ICE vehicles

T. A. Gardner said:
Like computers and other tech today, they become obsolescent or obsolete. Let's say you install a Tesla home station this year and in 5 years decide to buy another brand of EV that is incompatible with your Tesla charging station. Now you need a new charging station. Or, you decide to upgrade yours, or whatever.



The cost of electricity is based on what public charging stations price at. Those charge higher rates than the nominal per KW rate.
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You don't seem to be very familiar with EV chargers. Most 220v ones simply plug into a dryer or stove type outlet. You don't need the cost of an electrician to install a new one every time you change our your charging cable. Yet your author includes that cost of an electrician installing an outlet every year.

You didn't read your source, did you? It clearly has one category that uses only home charging. The last time I checked a home charger is NOT a public charging station.
Your unbiased researchers cherry picked their data to come up with a result they wanted. Charging 17 cents per kwh in their study when the nationwide average is less than 13 cents seems suspect to me.
 
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/en_CA/CA-EN_NEMA_14-50_Installation_Guide.pdf
Questions? Contact the Tesla Technical Support Team:
ChargingInstallation@teslamotors.com | 650.681.6133 (Monday - Friday) | 877.798.3752 (24/7)
The recommended home charging installation option for Tesla vehicles is a 240 volt
NEMA 14-50 outlet. This outlet is commonly used for electric stoves and recreational
vehicles. Installed with a 50 amp circuit breaker, this outlet enables a recharge rate of
about 37 kilometers per hour.
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When and why do NEMA 14-50 outlets need an upgrade every 5 years?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You don't seem to be very familiar with EV chargers. Most 220v ones simply plug into a dryer or stove type outlet. You don't need the cost of an electrician to install a new one every time you change our your charging cable. Yet your author includes that cost of an electrician installing an outlet every year.

You didn't read your source, did you? It clearly has one category that uses only home charging. The last time I checked a home charger is NOT a public charging station.
Your unbiased researchers cherry picked their data to come up with a result they wanted. Charging 17 cents per kwh in their study when the nationwide average is less than 13 cents seems suspect to me.
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So, which one does your charger use?

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Poor Richard Saunders said:
Which one of those needs to be replaced every 5 years because the technology has changed or they are obsolete?
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If what you are plugging in changes, and the plug is different, you are having to change either the plug or the receptacle. For example, if you go from a 3 wire 40 amp 240 plug (your "dryer" plug) to say a 4 wire 40 amp 240/120 plug because that's what's on your new charger for your new car, then you need to change not only the receptacle, but install new wiring.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If what you are plugging in changes, and the plug is different, you are having to change either the plug or the receptacle. For example, if you go from a 3 wire 40 amp 240 plug (your "dryer" plug) to say a 4 wire 40 amp 240/120 plug because that's what's on your new charger for your new car, then you need to change not only the receptacle, but install new wiring.
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Why would you assume it always changes? Why would your authors assume it always has to be replaced?
If the new device uses the same plug then what electrical changes need to be made? Is there a cost if no changes are made? At this point you are simply defending biased assumptions.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If what you are plugging in changes, and the plug is different, you are having to change either the plug or the receptacle. For example, if you go from a 3 wire 40 amp 240 plug (your "dryer" plug) to say a 4 wire 40 amp 240/120 plug because that's what's on your new charger for your new car, then you need to change not only the receptacle, but install new wiring.
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In Michigan, DTE will recommend companies to wire your garage for 240 at a discounted rate. They also indicate when is the cheapest time to charge. You are not inventing a never thought of problem. It is being handled. You can charge your car on 120. It takes more time. It will do it while you sleep. 240 is just a faster way to charge. You have to decide if the cost, about 700 bucks, is worth it.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Why would you assume it always changes? Why would your authors assume it always has to be replaced?
If the new device uses the same plug then what electrical changes need to be made? Is there a cost if no changes are made? At this point you are simply defending biased assumptions.
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I'm not saying always. I'm saying it's a very distinct possibility, particularly if you switch manufacturers or brands.
 
Nordberg said:
In Michigan, DTE will recommend companies to wire your garage for 240 at a discounted rate. They also indicate when is the cheapest time to charge. You are not inventing a never thought of problem. It is being handled. You can charge your car on 120. It takes more time. It will do it while you sleep. 240 is just a faster way to charge. You have to decide if the cost, about 700 bucks, is worth it.
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Luckily for me, if I am eventually forced into this stupidity by government with no alternative, I can wire my own circuit with stuff lying about the garage for free. Advantage of doing electrical contracting for years...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't know if he is, but I am. I still 'dabble' rather than do it full time. Working on a project right now to install a 400 amp 240/120Y 3 ph service feeder for a guy with a 5 acre lot that wants to power a number of buildings on it down the road.
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There's a nice bit of money! Are you installing the feeder lines themselves or just installing the tap?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You don't seem to be very familiar with EV chargers. Most 220v ones simply plug into a dryer or stove type outlet. You don't need the cost of an electrician to install a new one every time you change our your charging cable. Yet your author includes that cost of an electrician installing an outlet every year.

You didn't read your source, did you? It clearly has one category that uses only home charging. The last time I checked a home charger is NOT a public charging station.
Your unbiased researchers cherry picked their data to come up with a result they wanted. Charging 17 cents per kwh in their study when the nationwide average is less than 13 cents seems suspect to me.
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"Just a stove or dryer outlet" he says! How naive!
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The "unbiased" researchers you are promoting seem to think it always will have to be replaced every few years.
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Well, that's their opinion. Mine is it is a distinct possibility on the basis of three things:

1. Variations between models and manufacturers of EV vehicles in terms of charging plugs
2. Variations in voltages and phases used in charging equipment
3. Changes in the rate of charge resulting in changes in the charging equipment itself.

These are no different than how many other types of electronic devices have evolved.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Luckily for me, if I am eventually forced into this stupidity by government with no alternative, I can wire my own circuit with stuff lying about the garage for free. Advantage of doing electrical contracting for years...
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Well then everyone can. Otherwise, your answer is irrelevant.
 
Nordberg said:
Well then everyone can. Otherwise, your answer is irrelevant.
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No, everyone can't. That is unless you think you are some sort of highly proficient handyman around your house, particularly with things electrical. What size and type of wire would you use for a 40 amp 240V 4 wire circuit to power your charger? What color should the wires be? What size box would you install for the receptacle? If you have to use EMT, do you know how to install it?
 
Perry Phimosis said:
It's actually easier to answer with fewer letters with either a "yes" or "no". But you seem to want to hide the answer. OK. I'll resume my assumption that you are a middle school janitor.

Thanks!
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What's wrong with being a middle school janitor? Think you could do it?
 
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