EV's now more expensive in time and money to refuel than ICE vehicles

T. A. Gardner said:
No, everyone can't. That is unless you think you are some sort of highly proficient handyman around your house, particularly with things electrical. What size and type of wire would you use for a 40 amp 240V 4 wire circuit to power your charger? What color should the wires be? What size box would you install for the receptacle? If you have to use EMT, do you know how to install it?
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Heh. You think he would install one that is up to code?? He doesn't even know what the electrical code is!
Well...it's his fire hazard. I don't think insurance would cover the loss either, since it was never up to code.

That's assuming, of course, that he doesn't electrocute himself first!
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Nothing is wrong with it. And yes I believe I could do it. I think I have the abilities. Can you tell me if the test was really hard to get the license?
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I dunno. I am a retired Machinist/Toolmaker.

Me? I couldn't because I don't know plumbing, HVAC, boilers, 110/240 volt electrical, building maintenance/repair and I hate ladders....but you must? Lol!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Well, that's their opinion. Mine is it is a distinct possibility on the basis of three things:

1. Variations between models and manufacturers of EV vehicles in terms of charging plugs
2. Variations in voltages and phases used in charging equipment
3. Changes in the rate of charge resulting in changes in the charging equipment itself.

These are no different than how many other types of electronic devices have evolved.
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Yeah.. because I had to change my outlets every time I upgraded my computer. :palm:
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, everyone can't. That is unless you think you are some sort of highly proficient handyman around your house, particularly with things electrical. What size and type of wire would you use for a 40 amp 240V 4 wire circuit to power your charger? What color should the wires be? What size box would you install for the receptacle? If you have to use EMT, do you know how to install it?
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Anyone with access to a computer can find those answers in less than 10 minutes.

It took me less than 30 seconds to find the answers for almost all of those questions.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-240-volt-outlets.html
 
Into the Night said:
Heh. You think he would install one that is up to code?? He doesn't even know what the electrical code is!
Well...it's his fire hazard. I don't think insurance would cover the loss either, since it was never up to code.

That's assuming, of course, that he doesn't electrocute himself first!
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Toss in depending on the jurisdiction, you may have to get a permit and have it inspected...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Good luck with that. That hardly begins to explain the reality of wiring your water heater...
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It answered type of wire.
It answered size of wire for 40 amp and 50 amp circuits.
It answered color of wires.
It answered which color goes where when attaching to the outlet.

Could someone that has no experience with a screwdriver go from there? Probably not but the answers are easy to find online about how to turn off breakers and install new breakers. It all comes down to how comfortable one is with doing the install.

As to getting a permit, the city engineer will often give resources to find the needed information since the city has a vested interest in the work being done properly.
 
RB 60 said:
...especially wiring a gas hot water heater!
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If you are wiring your gas water heater with a 50 amp circuit then you have a problem.
The question was finding the correct wire size and color for wiring a 50 amp circuit. That was one that popped up that answered all those questions for wiring any 50 amp circuit not just water heaters.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
If you are wiring your gas water heater with a 50 amp circuit then you have a problem.
The question was finding the correct wire size and color for wiring a 50 amp circuit. That was one that popped up that answered all those questions for wiring any 50 amp circuit not just water heaters.
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If you're wiring a gas hot water heater, you already have a problem
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It answered type of wire.
It answered size of wire for 40 amp and 50 amp circuits.
It answered color of wires.
It answered which color goes where when attaching to the outlet.

Could someone that has no experience with a screwdriver go from there? Probably not but the answers are easy to find online about how to turn off breakers and install new breakers. It all comes down to how comfortable one is with doing the install.

As to getting a permit, the city engineer will often give resources to find the needed information since the city has a vested interest in the work being done properly.
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The city or county engineer will never do that. At most they'll give you a generic handout on requirements. They will not give you any advice. If they did, it makes them libel for that advice and if it were wrong you could sue them. You have to hire your own professional.

That link you gave left out all sorts of stuff too. It doesn't answer stapling and clamping requirements, use of conduit--a virtual certainty in installing a water heater--box sizing, ground requirements, strip lengths, and their breaker advice is downright dangerous in specifying a specific model of breaker. I like their insulated tool pic. Those are Wiha brand insulated tools. The "Nazis" (joking... they're made in Germany) make great tools. That set shown will set you back a cool $200. I know, that's the brand I use. No, I'm not a big Klein fan like many electricians ("It ain't Klein, it ain't mine!).

It also doesn't answer if you need three or four wire. Also the picture they show of the panel connection with multiple 240V receptacles on the same circuit is illegal for residential use. 240V receptacles are dedicated purpose in residential use. That is, the water heater goes on its own breaker.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The city or county engineer will never do that. At most they'll give you a generic handout on requirements. They will not give you any advice. If they did, it makes them libel for that advice and if it were wrong you could sue them. You have to hire your own professional.

That link you gave left out all sorts of stuff too. It doesn't answer stapling and clamping requirements, use of conduit--a virtual certainty in installing a water heater--box sizing, ground requirements, strip lengths, and their breaker advice is downright dangerous in specifying a specific model of breaker. I like their insulated tool pic. Those are Wiha brand insulated tools. The "Nazis" (joking... they're made in Germany) make great tools. That set shown will set you back a cool $200. I know, that's the brand I use. No, I'm not a big Klein fan like many electricians ("It ain't Klein, it ain't mine!).

It also doesn't answer if you need three or four wire. Also the picture they show of the panel connection with multiple 240V receptacles on the same circuit is illegal for residential use. 240V receptacles are dedicated purpose in residential use. That is, the water heater goes on its own breaker.
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LOL. You seem to want to run off in every direction with your head cut off.
I never said a city engineer would give you advice on how to make the connections. Read my statement again and see if you can understand simple English. (Telling you to talk to an electrician would be considered giving you a resource.)

I clearly stated my link didn't answer every question. I merely pointed out that I found the answer to most of your questions in 30 seconds and just about any other answers could be found within 10 minutes.

As to whether I need a 3 wire or a 4 wire circuit, I would be able to tell that from the NEMA plug on the device I am wiring for. The NEMA plug would inform me as to what NEMA receptacle was needed. Are you incapable of counting the prongs on a plug? Most 6 year olds in my part of the world can do that.

The picture that shows wiring diagrams for multiple NEMA receptacles does not state you can install multiple ones on a single circuit. It seems English is hard for you since it clearly states, Illustration only shows how to connect wires to XYWG terminals.
 
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