Excuse me, are we going to say the pledge of allegiance?

Darla said:
The anthem I enjoy - when it's done well it's very beautiful. I stand for that.

I just don't do pledges. Silly stuff. IMO.
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I haven't pledged since grade school. When the situation comes up, I'll stand quietly while others pledge but that's it. Something about speaking to a flag with my hand over heart... no can do.
 
Superfreak said:
Again, they are not. I have shown the definitions of the two. There are distinct differences in the meanings.

Tell me... what does date of birth have to do with whether someone is conservative. Also tell me what it has to do with nationalism. Just a little bit of knowledge for you... but people are born throughout the world on the same date. There are not days set aside for conservative births nor liberal ones.

Nationalism is not based on latitude and longitude. It is based on ATTITUDE.

One can be born within a set latitude and longitude and be nationalistic while someone else born in the exact same location will not be nationalistic. Thus nationalism is not based on latitude and longitude.
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Here's a good explanation:

What's truly ironic about this whole war is that the conservatives in our country do not seem to realize that the Taliban is simply an extreme version of the same primal impulse that drives them.

In every population there is a distribution of conservative to progressive, aggressive to peaceful, etc. The famous classical game theoretic model, the Hawk-Dove contest, shows that the evolutionarily stable population in that model is not all hawks or all doves, but rather a certain degree of each; in that model, 58% "doves" and 42% "hawks". It stands to reason that it is expected that you will have both types of personality in your population. Similarly, I believe a stable distribution of political sensibility is probably one with both progressive and conservative elements.

Of course, it's funny how the same personality type seems to latch on to radically different ideas depending on the society. "Conservatives" here profess a belief in capitalism and extol the virtues of the good old days of the 1950's, a half century ago; "conservatives" in Russia pine for the bygone days of the stability of the old Soviet empire. I believe that the propensity in conservatives is not towards ideologies per se, but rather towards status quo versus change. I'd bet you'd find much more psychologically (and perhaps genetically?) similar between conservatives here and in Russia, despite the fact that they profess supposedly opposite nostalgias.

But of course a typical conservative doesn't look at the conservatism of their enemy and learn to moderate themselves; they see the enemy as an "other", as confirmation of their own rigid views, despite the evident similarity between the two stances. Thus I believe it is important not to choose one's strategy based solely on whether it is conservative or radical, or solely based on whether it is aggressive or passive. I'd rather not be a hawk or a dove; I want to choose my strategy depending on the situation at hand. I believe in situational politics. The only strategy I think I can safely say I universally disdain is the totalizing strategy: trying to impose a single, cookie cutter approach on everyone and on every situation. Instead, I believe it is best to choose the strategy depending on circumstances, using both compassion and pragmatism, with a healthy dose of self-skepticism.
M. Hadeishi
 
bravo said:
So going to newly opened register is now equal to 'cutting in line'...???:palm:


"They always want special treatment. What for? Not dying young? Consider yourself lucky!"

Special treatment?....you're a big supporter of Social Security aren't you, little girl.
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Most people are supporters of SS, esp. when it get to the time when they can collect.

Thank you in advance for living off your millions and turning down the opportunity to live off the government at some future time.
 
Dixie said:
LMFAO... Pinheaded League of Women Voters idiot tries to deny people the right to say the pledge of allegiance and gets her 'authority' thwarted!

YouTube - League of Women Voters Try to Stop Pledge of Allegiance at Debate

What the fuck does she mean, she has "nothing for or against" the pledge? How can you have something AGAINST the pledge of allegiance? PINHEAD!

And who the fuck do you think you are, telling people they are "absolutely not" going to say the pledge, and then attempting to scold them like a school teacher when they do it anyway?
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while saying the pledge is optional, it is a the behest of the person in charge - also, there is no right to say the pledge...but then i do not either say it or stand for it - i am, however, knowledgable of its roots and disagree with them mightily
 
This is rich...Dixie is the arbiter of what is and is not Patriotic, therefore who is and is not a good American. This is the same mentality during the Iraqi war where we were told that if we did not support our president we were unpatriotic and unamerican. It is always the right that has the lock on what is patriotic. I don't say the pledge, because I find it pure symbolism without substance. It is way for people to show us how great of an American they are because they get up and say the pledge everyday, or whenever the pledge comes up. Funny how he never mentioned taking the oath to the constitution. Probably because he has never done it. The constitution is substantial, it has real meaning, it defines what it means to be a free country. The flag does not define it. It never has. I have saluted the flag. Everyday for 4 years, when at 6 am and 5 pm they played Reveille and Retreat. Where ever I was on post I turned to face the music or, if I was certain of where it was, the colors on post.
 
DonQuixote said:
i will not even stand for it
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I stand out of respect for the people that do stand and say the pledge. To not stand is to say "what are you stupid people doing". It is the same when I am at a family function where a prayer is said before a meal. I am the only atheist in my family but I bow my head and remain quiet while the prayer is said, out of respect for the people who are praying.
 
Socrtease said:
This is rich...Dixie is the arbiter of what is and is not Patriotic, therefore who is and is not a good American. This is the same mentality during the Iraqi war where we were told that if we did not support our president we were unpatriotic and unamerican. It is always the right that has the lock on what is patriotic. I don't say the pledge, because I find it pure symbolism without substance. It is way for people to show us how great of an American they are because they get up and say the pledge everyday, or whenever the pledge comes up. Funny how he never mentioned taking the oath to the constitution. Probably because he has never done it. The constitution is substantial, it has real meaning, it defines what it means to be a free country. The flag does not define it. It never has. I have saluted the flag. Everyday for 4 years, when at 6 am and 5 pm they played Reveille and Retreat. Where ever I was on post I turned to face the music or, if I was certain of where it was, the colors on post.
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Yes, for you, it certainly is "pure symbolism" because the pledge means absolutely nothing to a Marxist Socialist! I agree wholeheartedly, and I don't think you people should even be allowed to recite it, much less expected to! Sorry you were forced to salute the flag, maybe now that we are letting gays openly serve in the military, we can move to have that changed as well, so anti-American Commies like you don't have to feel forced to do something you don't want to do!
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Dixie said:
? How can you have something AGAINST the pledge of allegiance?
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How can you have something for the pledge of allegiance?

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Dixie said:
Rev. Wright is Black Liberation Theology, not Christian Socialist. The people who were called Christian Socialist in the day of Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), were much more akin to Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson, but with the compassion of George W. Bush. Not that any of this has anything to do with the Pledge of Allegiance, he just happened to be a good writer and composed something great. I don't think I can hold his personal political philosophy against him, because that would be outright bigoted prejudice. If you want to judge his works based on a preconceived notion of his political views, that's up to you, it's typical of bigoted asshole liberals, they do this all the time. Take Juan Williams for example... devoutly liberal, carrying the water for the liberals everyday, but since he gets a paycheck from Fox News on the side, you people had to persecute him over something really silly, and act like he denounced Leninism or something! It's just the typical behavior of hypocrite bigot pinheads!
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You are such a fucking retard!

Bellamy was a socialist. He and his brother were proponents of a centrally planned and controlled economy.

How is it prejudiced or bigoted to hold someone's stated views against them? That's just fucking stupid Ditzy. If we judged Bellamy based on the actions, deeds or words of some fringe group of socialists that he did not support, that might show bigotry.
 
Dixie said:
Nope. Not a Christian either, at least that's what the Christians tell me.
I guess I am kinda like the Mulatto kid, not accepted by Christians or Atheists.
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You said Christian socialist = social conservative. Are you now denying that you are a social conservative?

BTW, I responded once to the topic of the OP. Some Republican staged this act for what purpose I don't know. It was stupid and rather offensive. This supposed "patriotism" is nothing but a club with which you berate and beat the opposition. The same way you immoral scumbags use religion.
 
RStringfield said:
You are such a fucking retard!

Bellamy was a socialist. He and his brother were proponents of a centrally planned and controlled economy.

How is it prejudiced or bigoted to hold someone's stated views against them? That's just fucking stupid Ditzy. If we judged Bellamy based on the actions, deeds or words of some fringe group of socialists that he did not support, that might show bigotry.
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No, he was a Christian Socialist, not a Marxist Socialist. Two entirely different kinds of Socialism. Bellamy's kind was relatively new for the time, and it did have some consistencies with the Socialist teachings of Marx, but Marxist philosophy was also relatively new, and many of the shortcomings and pitfalls of Marxism had not yet been realized. But what does this have to do with the Pledge of Allegiance? Does the Pledge have some hidden Socialist Marxist message? Is even Bellamy's Christian Socialism revealed in the words? Doesn't seem to be, from what I read, but maybe you can enlighten us? If there is no subsequent connection of relevance, why bring up his personal political viewpoint? If Karl Marx had stumbled upon the invention of Penicillin, would we have to weigh our opinion of Penicillin based on the fact he was a Marxist? What sense would that make, unless you were a bigot? A really hard-headed fucktarded bigot?
 
I would have never guessed Dixie would defend a Socialist. As for the topic at hand, it is frivolous. Our economy is in shambles and you're concerned about the pledge of allegiance. Incredible.
 
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RStringfield said:
You are such a fucking retard!

Bellamy was a socialist. He and his brother were proponents of a centrally planned and controlled economy.

How is it prejudiced or bigoted to hold someone's stated views against them? That's just fucking stupid Ditzy. If we judged Bellamy based on the actions, deeds or words of some fringe group of socialists that he did not support, that might show bigotry.
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a thumbs down for language...even if i agree
 
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