Excuse me, are we going to say the pledge of allegiance?

Socrtease said:
I stand out of respect for the people that do stand and say the pledge. To not stand is to say "what are you stupid people doing". It is the same when I am at a family function where a prayer is said before a meal. I am the only atheist in my family but I bow my head and remain quiet while the prayer is said, out of respect for the people who are praying.
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i do not have respect for sheepeople that stand and recite it - it is a dangerous thing that leads to demagoguery
 
Dixie said:
That figures. Well Duhla, at least you aren't the typical hypocrite pinhead, who will recite it and just 'pantomime' the word "God" when it gets to that part.

To anyone who loves this country, how can you align yourself with people like this? People with so much disdain for what America stands for, they can't even bear to recite the pledge of allegiance, and in the case of Ms. Kathy Tate-Bradish, doesn't want anyone else to recite it in their presence either!

This week before the most important election of our lifetime, if you confront a liberal in the course of your day... put your hand over your heart, look them in the eye, and begin to recite the pledge of allegiance!
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The pledge of allegiance is ironically a socialist/progressive reform. I seriously doubt the founders would've stood for such idiocy. It's even worse that it specifically attacks people without religious faith.
 
Dixie said:
Is that what you want me to say, Bfoon? Is that the reaction you expect me to have to your little propaganda post? Let me clue your ignorant ass in on something, a Christian socialist is not the same thing as a Marxist socialist! A Christian socialist is what we would consider to be, a hardcore social conservative.
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Uhm, no.
 
a PLEDGE of allegiance to a symbol is a fascist practice only reserved for knuckle dragging simpleton proles.
 
Voltaire said:
I would have never guessed Dixie would defend a Socialist. As for the topic at hand, it is frivolous. Our economy is in shambles and you're concerned about the pledge of allegiance. Incredible.
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Sorry, I haven't defended a Socialist. A Christian Socialist of the late 1800's isn't very much different than George W. Bush in 2000. Kind of like how a Classical Liberal isn't much different than a modern Conservative. But really, what does any of this have to do with the Pledge of Allegiance? Do you think because of Bellamy's personal political view, the Pledge is somehow tainted? Isn't that quite the bigoted and prejudiced position to take? To hold a person's political philosophy against them, even though they did or wrote something admirable and good?

Believe it or not, I have actually quoted Noam Chomsky before, on this very board! ME! About the rightest of right-wing Conservatives... I was able to find merit and wisdom in the words of a pinhead like Chomsky! Now, I realize that is very hard to believe, but search for it and you will find it. I can't recall the quote, I think it was during one of the many debates on Gay Marriage, but indeed, Dixie quoted Noam Chomsky!

You see, some of us are able to set aside our prejudice and bigoted viewpoints, to recognize merit and accomplishment. We don't just automatically discount or dismiss things, based on what political viewpoint someone might have, unless we are bigoted and prejudiced assholes who can't see past a person's political persuasions.
 
Dixie said:
No, he was a Christian Socialist, not a Marxist Socialist. Two entirely different kinds of Socialism.
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There are lots of kinds of socialism.

Dixie;722006Bellamy's kind was relatively new for the time said:
Collectivists with a grounding in religious ideology far predate marxism, social democracy, anarchism, etc. etc.

Dixie said:
and it did have some consistencies with the Socialist teachings of Marx, but Marxist philosophy was also relatively new, and many of the shortcomings and pitfalls of Marxism had not yet been realized. But what does this have to do with the Pledge of Allegiance? Does the Pledge have some hidden Socialist Marxist message? Is even Bellamy's Christian Socialism revealed in the words? Doesn't seem to be, from what I read, but maybe you can enlighten us? If there is no subsequent connection of relevance, why bring up his personal political viewpoint? If Karl Marx had stumbled upon the invention of Penicillin, would we have to weigh our opinion of Penicillin based on the fact he was a Marxist? What sense would that make, unless you were a bigot? A really hard-headed fucktarded bigot?
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He had a pretty obvious goal here. He wanted people to be mindlessly brainwashed to the state instead of to freedom. It wasn't a good thing.
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How it really happened:

Character 1: Responsible debate moderator, trying to keep things moving in an efficient timely manner. aka: mod

Character 2: knuckle dragging, mouth breathing prole simpleton. aka: simple pete


mod: ok everybody, lets begin our deba . .

simple pete: GEE GOLLY gosh, don't ya thank we should pledge to the flag of our blessed nation?

mod: uhhh well, we have pretty much never done that ever, and we really have to get moving, and you obviously dont actually give a shit about the pledge and are just trying to make a silly childish scene because you are likely very insecure about something.

simple pete: I AM OUTRAGED. I AM GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY. WHO IS WITH ME!! <O/

mod: oh jesus christ . . .


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dixie: HOW CAN ANYONE BE AGAINST THE PLEDGE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! lol look at this socialist bitch get pwned by simple pete. She's the bad kind of socialist, I only like christian socialists. BTW I think it's so funny to see all these SOCIALISTS in this thread that are being honest about how they hate america!! Fucking socialists. Oh yeah, america is the greatest nation in the history of all humankind, that isn't an opinion THAT'S A FACT!! Can't blame me for just talking the facts about how america is the greatest acheivenment in all of earth's history, JUST DEAL WITH THE FACTS PEOPLE
 
if simple pete asked to bake cupcakes before the debate and the moderator said no, dixie would claim the moderator is anti-cupcakes.
 
Dixie said:
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Yes, for you, it certainly is "pure symbolism" because the pledge means absolutely nothing to a Marxist Socialist! I agree wholeheartedly, and I don't think you people should even be allowed to recite it, much less expected to! Sorry you were forced to salute the flag, maybe now that we are letting gays openly serve in the military, we can move to have that changed as well, so anti-American Commies like you don't have to feel forced to do something you don't want to do!
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THIS is the new 21st century republican. Still more about form than substance, more about how much better americans the right are than the left and how EVERYONE that disagrees is a commie. Looks alot like the red scare republicans. This is all you got?
 
Socrtease said:
THIS is the new 21st century republican. Still more about form than substance, more about how much better americans the right are than the left and how EVERYONE that disagrees is a commie. Looks alot like the red scare republicans. This is all you got?
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I saw Red Dawn.... the threat was real man... WOLVERINES!!! (and no... NOT you Michigan bastards)
 
DonQuixote said:
i do not have respect for sheepeople that stand and recite it - it is a dangerous thing that leads to demagoguery
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The holier-than-though conservatives fell back on their favorite sound bite: "It's un-American" not to pledge.

"At Tuesday's meeting, two members of the Peters GOP committee, Buzz Rich and Bob Woeber, were discussing the Illinois incident at a GOP event before Tuesday's debate and decided to ask a League representative if the pledge would be recited. They understood it would, Mr. Woeber said. But when Mr. Murphy raised the issue at the forum and was told the pledge was not on the agenda, Mr. Woeber stood up and shouted "That is unacceptable and un-American!"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10301/1098683-455.stm
 
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Rana said:
I love how you get him going! Yeah, you would trip old ladies! Ahahahah, I laugh thinking about it! You would trip them(not), then feel bad and buy her item for her!
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Conservatives have no sense of humor Rana, and they don't even recognize satire. Their entire lives are satire and they don't even know it. LOL
 
Dixie said:
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Yes, for you, it certainly is "pure symbolism" because the pledge means absolutely nothing to a Marxist Socialist! I agree wholeheartedly, and I don't think you people should even be allowed to recite it, much less expected to! Sorry you were forced to salute the flag, maybe now that we are letting gays openly serve in the military, we can move to have that changed as well, so anti-American Commies like you don't have to feel forced to do something you don't want to do!
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So, you think people should be forced to do things they don't want to do? Are you advocating Sharia! Bravo wants Sharia! Bravo wants sharia! He wants to force people to do what they don't want to do! Are you a closet Muslim terrorist?
 
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