First Transgender Athlete to Win D-1 Championship

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Curious what the women of the board think about this (and if it simply falls along partisan political lines). Lia Thomas is a transgender swimmer for Penn who just won the woman's championship. Do you have any issue with this? And is it possible to say 'I don't have issue with someone living their life as they choose but I don't think former men should compete against women in sports' or does it not work that way?


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Men cannot be women and women cannot be men. One in every 2200 is hermaphrodite.

This letting men compete in women's sports is beyond the pale of lunacy!
 
It's funny that Cawacko said he would like to hear the opinions of women on this board, and Lionfish and Matt raced in to respond.

I personally don't really have an opinion on this. I feel like it will all work itself out and it's fine.
 
Darla said:
It's funny that Cawacko said he would like to hear the opinions of women on this board, and Lionfish and Matt raced in to respond.

I personally don't really have an opinion on this. I feel like it will all work itself out and it's fine.
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In the meantime, there are high school girls who would otherwise excel and qualify for college scholarships, losing to men. If men want to compete with women, then they should start by removing their genitals, and then go through a series of hormone treatments aimed at reducing muscle mass and strength.

After that, the playing field would be more level. It takes a special kind of inferiority complex for a man to want to wrestle against women, compete in swimming/track, etc..
 
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In the meantime, there are high school girls who would otherwise excel and qualify for college scholarships, losing to men. If men want to compete with women, then they should start by removing their genitals, and then go through a serious of hormone treatments aimed at reducing muscle mass and strength.

After that, the playing field would be more level. It takes a special kind of inferiority complex for a man to want to wrestle against women, compete in swimming/track, etc..
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Well isn't this person a post-operative trans woman? Am I incorrect in that assumption?
 
Darla said:
Well isn't this person a post-operative trans woman? Am I incorrect in that assumption?
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I can't see the OP, so I'm not sure who you are talking about. There are numerous men dominating women's sports at the high school/college level.

No. Most of these athletes have not undergone surgery, save for breast implants perhaps. This particular person still has male genitalia, and is attracted to women. His teammates are very uncomfortable with him in the women's locker room.

Swimmer Lia Thomas becomes NCAA's first transgender D-I champion in any sport

Among the critics of Thomas' eligibility are 16 of her Penn teammates. They sent a letter in February signed by 1984 Olympic gold medalist and chief executive of women’s sports advocacy organization Champion Women Nancy Hogshead-Makar urging Penn and the Ivy League to reconsider her eligibilty.
“We fully support Lia Thomas in her decision to affirm her gender identity and to transition from a man to a woman," the letter read. "Lia has every right to live her life authentically. However, we also recognize that when it comes to sports competition, that the biology of sex is a separate issue from someone’s gender identity.
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"Biologically, Lia holds an unfair advantage over competition in the women’s category, as evidenced by her rankings that have bounced from #462 as a male to #1 as a female. If she were to be eligible to compete against us, she could now break Penn, Ivy, and NCAA Women’s Swimming records; feats she could never have done as a male athlete.”


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Althea said:
I can't see the OP, so I'm not sure who you are talking about. There are numerous men dominating women's sports at the high school/college level.

No. Most of these athletes have not undergone surgery, save for breast implants perhaps. This particular person still has male genitalia, and is attracted to women. His teammates are very uncomfortable with him in the women's locker room.

Swimmer Lia Thomas becomes NCAA's first transgender D-I champion in any sport
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Okay, the last two people I would guess are on ignore are you and Cawacko. Yes, the OP is about Thomas. So, non-transitioned. Well, that's interesting.
 
Darla said:
Okay, the last two people I would guess are on ignore are you and Cawacko. Yes, the OP is about Thomas. So, non-transitioned. Well, that's interesting.
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Yeah! You don't know what to think now, huh?! LOL! :laugh:
 
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Darla said:
Okay, the last two people I would guess are on ignore are you and Cawacko. Yes, the OP is about Thomas. So, non-transitioned. Well, that's interesting.
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LOL. I like Cawacko. It might have been during the early Covid discussions, but I just couldn't read his posts anymore. It was painful. That doesn't mean he isn't a nice guy.
 
Darla said:
Well isn't this person a post-operative trans woman? Am I incorrect in that assumption?
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Yes, but cosmetic surgery, hormone treatments, and genital mutilation do not amount to a change in gender / sex. They amount to exactly what they are--cosmetic changes to look like what you are not.
 
cawacko said:
Curious what the women of the board think about this (and if it simply falls along partisan political lines). Lia Thomas is a transgender swimmer for Penn who just won the woman's championship. Do you have any issue with this? And is it possible to say 'I don't have issue with someone living their life as they choose but I don't think former men should compete against women in sports' or does it not work that way?


https://www.espn.com/college-sports...er-athlete-win-division-national-championship
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The 'woman' looks like a guy. Why bother with 'Women's Sports', if guys are going to be allowed to compete?
 
Jack said:
The 'woman' looks like a guy. Why bother with 'Women's Sports', if guys are going to be allowed to compete?
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Ranked #469 in men's competition. #1 in women's.

I had a friend who did this decades ago. He was already 50 when he went through the process. I never asked if he cut off his genitals. He was the ugliest woman I ever saw, with huge hands/feet. He was a really kind guy who nobody knew was suffering with gender identity issues. This was WAY before it was fashionable. I only saw him a few times a year, and I had heard that he was going to do this.

The first time I saw him as a woman, I had to leave the area to compose myself. Once I did, we spoke and I was fine. Save for the pink dress/shoes and gigantic feet.

Who cares if a man wants to transition? It's a personal thing, but competing in sports isn't fair until years of muscle mass reduction has been completed.

My buddy, who (ironically) died of prostate cancer, used to get into fights in bars with women. It really got weird.
 
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This tells you all you need to know.
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This is an interesting issue. Otherwise Left leaning people can disagree about this. I draw the line at unfair competition. I refuse to accept that 'there is nothing wrong with this' when it comes to fairness.

Gender reassignment already proves psych issues. Demanding to compete at a different sex without recognizing that you have an unfair advantage shows deeper issues.

Like the Seinfeld episode where we find that Kramer is dominating in karate class, because he's competing against children.
 
Darla said:
. Yes, the OP is about Thomas. So, non-transitioned. Well, that's interesting.
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I now know that he has male genitalia, and is still attracted to women. I'm at a loss as to what his identity is?

A lesbian?
 
Not being a woman I can only give the opinions of the women in my life. To a woman, they all think that it is wrong. Cawacko, that’s 6 votes if you’re keeping a count. ;)
 
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