PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
After all I've learned about him I am concerned about anything DeSantis supports.
After all I've learned about him I am concerned about anything DeSantis supports.
Florida Governor orders schools to drop standards for academic performance
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I do not remember seeing this before today ... but methinks building a business empire such as The Donald did ... definately puts him at the top of his class. BTW ... who was and where is the valdetorian of said class ???
W told the graduating class at his alma something like this ... For those of you who got A's and B's .... congratulations ... for those who got C's ... you too can become President.
TOP
Retired Teacher
You obviously are completely unfamiliar with your schools...and what a good teacher is...Try to let go of your hate for DeSantis long enough to recognize how great these ideas are....and what a positive difference they will make...
trump underperformed the stock market in the return on his inheritance. In other words, he is below average.
Let's give an alternative example: Michael Bloomberg is roughly the same age as trump. Bloomberg started out with NOTHING, and now is worth 20 times as much as trump.
cawacko
Well-known member
I'm trying to understand the principle behind your position. You say we need testing because otherwise we won't know how bad kids are doing and we're basically living in fantasy but you don't like NCLB which was all about increasing testing to know how bad kids are doing and not live in fantasy?
seems more worldish
I was great test taker- but never did homework ( it was the 60's and I had better things to do after school)
Some people go to school but are lousy test takers.
Ideally you need both - you have to perform on command (test taking) and you have to have discipline and
doggedness to get your daily work done
cawacko
Well-known member
Well that makes more sense. You probably didn't even read what the proposed legislation entails it was simply a knee jerk response to who was proposing it. Kind of shocked you would actually acknowledge that, especially after starting a thread claiming Democrats are issue driven, but I guess you should be given credit for honestly. Pretty sad though wouldn't you say that there's no principle involved in what you support?
Was bloomy the valdetorian in The Donalds class ??? NOT
Ya might want to fact check yourself
Was trump a valedictorian in his own class?
Bloomberg was smart enough to get into graduate school, and get a real MBA. trump was not.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
Well, it's pretty clear why you're having difficulty in understanding my position. It's because you rewrote my post, made a strawman out of my position, then ripped it to shreds.
I think testing has value. I don't think funding should be pulled from low performing schools with the intent of seeing them closed down to be replaced with for-profit schools as a reward for huge campaign donations.
Public schools don't have to earn a profit, so all of the funding goes into education.
For-profit schools have to pay for all the same things as public schools, and also generate a profit for investors. That profit comes at the expense of education. Logically, the for-profit model is at a disadvantage in providing a good education and generating good jobs.
Well, it's pretty clear why you're having difficulty in understanding my position. It's because you rewrote my post, made a strawman out of my position, then ripped it to shreds.
I think testing has value. I don't think funding should be pulled from low performing schools with the intent of seeing them closed down to be replaced with for-profit schools as a reward for huge campaign donations.
Public schools don't have to earn a profit, so all of the funding goes into education.
For-profit schools have to pay for all the same things as public schools, and also generate a profit for investors. That profit comes at the expense of education. Logically, the for-profit model is at a disadvantage in providing a good education and generating good jobs.
cawacko
Well-known member
Where is funding mentioned anywhere in the article? Did you read what's being proposed?
Then why would he lie and say he was?
Is trump envious of Bezo's money, Bloomberg's money... And on and on... trump has a long history of attacking everyone more successful than him.
cawacko
Well-known member
Since partisanship so often messes up our ability to think I feel like the discussion of this topic needs to be had without any politicians names involved so people don't have the reaction Poli did of instinctively not liking it because of who's proposing it.
I think many people would agree with you. We need to have a certain level of testing to know kids have a certain level of ability and knowledge. But we can definitely go overboard on the amount of testing.
What's happening in Florida is just a proposal. It still has to go through the legislature etc. But will be interesting to follow because as they say the states are laboratories of democracy.
cawacko
Well-known member
And to be clear Poli, I'm not saying in any way you have to support what's being proposed here. I need to read up on it more myself to get a fuller understanding of what all it entails before I can I like or dislike it. But it's pretty clear the above was simply a non-principled partisan knee jerk response. If you're going to call out others for doing it, well you know what they say about glass houses...
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
DeSantis announced it like it is a done deal. DeSantis has a record of EOs and legislation that are overturned by courts. A good reason to be suspicious.
From the OP link:
" “We also have to recognize that it is the year 2021 and the FSA is quite frankly, outdated. It takes days to administer, leaving less time for student learning. It is not customizable to each student, which we do have the capability now with algorithms to do, it fails to provide timely information to parents, which as we know is very critical that that information be provided for them. It’s also too late for the modification of instruction, you take major tests at the end of the year, you get the results after the school year, so you can’t go back and fix that. So we are going to be ending that,” he said.
DeSantis said they will be replacing it with progress monitoring which many school districts are doing."
Isn't he getting the cart just a bit ahead of the horse?
If it is truly a good idea, it will have bipartisan support in the Florida Congress.
If there is something sneaky going on, Republicans will support it and Democrats will voice their objections.
DeSantis announced it like it is a done deal. DeSantis has a record of EOs and legislation that are overturned by courts. A good reason to be suspicious.
From the OP link:
" “We also have to recognize that it is the year 2021 and the FSA is quite frankly, outdated. It takes days to administer, leaving less time for student learning. It is not customizable to each student, which we do have the capability now with algorithms to do, it fails to provide timely information to parents, which as we know is very critical that that information be provided for them. It’s also too late for the modification of instruction, you take major tests at the end of the year, you get the results after the school year, so you can’t go back and fix that. So we are going to be ending that,” he said.
DeSantis said they will be replacing it with progress monitoring which many school districts are doing."
Isn't he getting the cart just a bit ahead of the horse?
If it is truly a good idea, it will have bipartisan support in the Florida Congress.
If there is something sneaky going on, Republicans will support it and Democrats will voice their objections.