Florida Governor orders schools to drop standards for academic performance

[TOP]

“We also have to recognize that it is the year 2021 and the FSA is quite frankly, outdated. It takes days to administer, leaving less time for student learning. It is not customizable to each student, which we do have the capability now with algorithms to do, it fails to provide timely information to parents, which as we know is very critical that that information be provided for them. It’s also too late for the modification of instruction, you take major tests at the end of the year, you get the results after the school year, so you can’t go back and fix that. So we are going to be ending that,” he said.

DeSantis said they will be replacing it with progress monitoring which many school districts are doing.

“This is short individualized check-in assessments three times per year. This will take hours not days to be able to do these assessments. It has three different opportunities, fall, winter, and spring to be able to check in on growth. There’ll be 75 percent less time for testing, which will mean more time for learning. It also informs teachers in real-time during the school year, so they can better help students,” said DeSantis.

The governor said the progress monitoring tools will be customizable and will even be unique to each student."
What's not to like? Besides the person presenting the changes....

 

[Phantasmal]

I’ll have to read more, but this sounds like a good idea.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



DeSantis announced it like it is a done deal. DeSantis has a record of EOs and legislation that are overturned by courts. A good reason to be suspicious.

From the OP link:

" “We also have to recognize that it is the year 2021 and the FSA is quite frankly, outdated. It takes days to administer, leaving less time for student learning. It is not customizable to each student, which we do have the capability now with algorithms to do, it fails to provide timely information to parents, which as we know is very critical that that information be provided for them. It’s also too late for the modification of instruction, you take major tests at the end of the year, you get the results after the school year, so you can’t go back and fix that. So we are going to be ending that,” he said.

DeSantis said they will be replacing it with progress monitoring which many school districts are doing."

Isn't he getting the cart just a bit ahead of the horse?

If it is truly a good idea, it will have bipartisan support in the Florida Congress.

If there is something sneaky going on, Republicans will support it and Democrats will voice their objections.

It's a proposal. That's how these things work.

From another article:

Florida’s statewide teachers’ union, the Florida Education Association, said they support the change.

“It will free up time for genuine teaching and learning, a move that the FEA, local unions & our 150,000 members have long advocated,” the union tweeted following the announcement.


https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/d...ndards-assessment/5FMRLYKMXBBXTO64XLGSCZ3R4E/



You haven't addressed the substance of the proposal other than you don't like DiSantis. No actual principle involved (other than my side good, other side bad). And I guess the teacher's unions are now bad if they support this.

 

[Lionfish]

It's a proposal. That's how these things work.

From another article:

Florida’s statewide teachers’ union, the Florida Education Association, said they support the change.

“It will free up time for genuine teaching and learning, a move that the FEA, local unions & our 150,000 members have long advocated,” the union tweeted following the announcement.


https://www.wftv.com/news/florida/d...ndards-assessment/5FMRLYKMXBBXTO64XLGSCZ3R4E/



You haven't addressed the substance of the proposal other than you don't like DiSantis. No actual principle involved (other than my side good, other side bad). And I guess the teacher's unions are now bad if they support this.

Notice the idiot that created the OP has long since left the building.

 

[cawacko]

Notice the idiot that created the OP has long since left the building.

Because he was trolling. But the topic is a legitimate one. It's not often we see a Republican Governor and the teacher's union come together in agreement on something. If we found a bi-partisan solution to improving how we deliver education that would be great. But this is just in the proposal stages. I don't know if any other state has implemented something similar.

 

[Earl]

You didn't read the article did you? Replacing outdated FSA with more individualized testing sounds awesome....What is your objection?

Micawber rarely reads his threads. That's why he appears so uninformed.

Nice catch.

 

[Lionfish]

Because he was trolling. But the topic is a legitimate one. It's not often we see a Republican Governor and the teacher's union come together in agreement on something. If we found a bi-partisan solution to improving how we deliver education that would be great. But this is just in the proposal stages. I don't know if any other state has implemented something similar.

The guy never read his link. He only created the headline he wanted to because of hate for anything Florida.

 

[cawacko]

The guy never read his link. He only created the headline he wanted to because of hate for anything Florida.

Yes, he was trolling. That doesn't mean the topic can't be discussed.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

And to be clear Poli, I'm not saying in any way you have to support what's being proposed here. I need to read up on it more myself to get a fuller understanding of what all it entails before I can I like or dislike it. But it's pretty clear the above was simply a non-principled partisan knee jerk response. If you're going to call out others for doing it, well you know what they say about glass houses...

Sounds to me like it creates a system where individual schools can have feedback to improve, but there will be no overall comprehensive comparison. If a school hits on something that works, there will be no way to know if it is working better than or worse than something another school is doing. I see it as all the schools being left to their own devices as far as improvement, with no state oversight.

But that's just my initial impression of it. Like you, I would like to see more in order to get a better idea of what is being proposed.

It is possible to simply object to Trump supporters' ideas and question their motives on the basis of principle.

 

[Into the Night]

Gov. DeSantis Announces End Of ‘Florida Standards Assessment’ In Schools (msn.com)

Will ReTrumplicans administer snake handling, vaccine denial and flat earth appreciation credits instead?

It's so "customizable" not to prove your kids know the three Rs

Schools already graduate kids that don't know how to read, write, or even are capable of enough arithmetic to balance their own checkbooks or run a till.
Employers, if they want to bother, have to provide this remedial instruction for them. So do colleges.

 

[Into the Night]

I thought standardized tests were rayciss because blacks routinely do worse on them than whites and Asians.

Nah. Just useless.

 

[Into the Night]

To graduate from HS, a student must be required to pass the GED. That will force the schools to actually teach. At least it will for a few years till the GED is dumbed down too.

Untrue. Students graduates without being able to read, write, or do simple arithmetic. That's why there are remedial courses in colleges for these kids, and why employers can get anyone that is capable of running a till without extensive re-education and training.

 

[anonymoose]

McSlawber never read the whole story before emotionally erupting.

Typical of McSlobber. Reminds me of the time he creamed his pants posting an article that California sued ExxonMobile for causing global warming/climate change/climate crisis/end of the world after that suit had been thrown out.

 

[Into the Night]

We are all still waiting on you to get us that evidence that trump graduated at the top of his class with an MBA... I am sure it is just an oversight by you.

Irrelevant. Straw man fallacy. Pivot fallacy.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Sounds to me like it creates a system where individual schools can have feedback to improve, but there will be no overall comprehensive comparison. If a school hits on something that works, there will be no way to know if it is working better than or worse than something another school is doing. I see it as all the schools being left to their own devices as far as improvement, with no state oversight.

But that's just my initial impression of it. Like you, I would like to see more in order to get a better idea of what is being proposed.

It is possible to simply object to Trump supporters' ideas and question their motives on the basis of principle.

So the teachers union, which supports this, went from among the biggest Democratic supporters to now basically being Trump supporters. That's quite the shift they have made. Why do you think they would do that?

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Sounds to me like it creates a system where individual schools can have feedback to improve, but there will be no overall comprehensive comparison. If a school hits on something that works, there will be no way to know if it is working better than or worse than something another school is doing. I see it as all the schools being left to their own devices as far as improvement, with no state oversight.

But that's just my initial impression of it. Like you, I would like to see more in order to get a better idea of what is being proposed.

It is possible to simply object to Trump supporters' ideas and question their motives on the basis of principle.

So I'm curious here, we often hear teachers complain about standardized tests. So if less testing means less oversight are teacher's trying to get away with not having oversight on their performance?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

So the teachers union, which supports this, went from among the biggest Democratic supporters to now basically being Trump supporters. That's quite the shift they have made. Why do you think they would do that?

Unions support workers. I don't think they are taking a political position. Why are you trying to make it political?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

So I'm curious here, we often hear teachers complain about standardized tests. So if less testing means less oversight are teacher's trying to get away with not having oversight on their performance?

It would appear so.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Unions support workers. I don't think they are taking a political position. Why are you trying to make it political?

You've already said you are hesitant about this proposal because you don't like DsSantis (a Republican) so it's political from the get go. And how often do we hear Republicans are anti-unions and anti-workers? Yet DeSantis is proposing reform that the union likes?

This whole discussion is a perfect example of why so much sh*t is f'd up in our country. It's not about the merits of the proposal rather the politicians proposing it.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



It would appear so.

We often hear Republicans are anti-teachers. Would you consider it anti-teacher to say the teachers union is avoiding oversight on the performance of their employees? (I guess you just did so that is rhetorical)