None of what you wrote disputes my statement that it is a fourth generation fighter -the same vintage as F-16s and hardly grossly obsolete - should be competitive against most Russian jet technology. You made it sound like the Mirage 2000 was hopelessly obsolete and useless.
This time they do. This article made it sound like France was donating their Mirage 2000s to Ukraine, as their fifth generation Dassault interceptors came on line.
So let them take a more active role. The US has spent enough its time for Europe to step up to the plate.
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Your claim was that the Mirage 2000 was hopelessly outdated and obsolete. Not that the F-16 is nominally superior.If you look closely at analyses of the two, the F-16 has significant advantages over the Mirage in terms of mission capability, flexibility in roles, while there isn't a lot to choose between the two--they are close--in terms of just air-to-air combat (eg., "dogfighting"). Where the F-16 excels, is it has much better maintainability, is supported far better for future upgrades, uses a much better array of guided weapons, particularly in terms of air-to-air combat. The Matra missiles available just don't compare to the US ones the 16 can use.
F-16 Vs. Mirage 2000 - A Detailed Comparison - Defence Street
F-16 Vs. Mirage 2000: In the world of military aviation, the quest for supremacy in the skies has driven nations to design and deploy some of the most advanced fighter jets known to mankind. Two contenders that have consistently captured the imagination of aviation enthusiasts and defense...Dassault Mirage 2000 (M2000) vs Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon Comparison
Side-by-side comparison of the Dassault Mirage 2000 (M2000) against the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon.www.militaryfactory.com
They might just to unload them rather than scrap them. It would buy some diplomatic favor down the road I suppose. In any case, look at it as the Mirage is better than nothing, and as a defensive aircraft it won't be that bad. I wouldn't expect Ukraine to use it offensively due to lack of range, and the weapons loadout being limited to French munitions of which Ukraine has only a limited selection.
No, I claimed it was an inferior aircraft to the F-16 and obsolescent. That doesn't make it useless, it just makes it an inferior choice to the F-16. But then again, Ukraine is a beggar and beggars can't be choosers.
Inversion fallacy, Sybil. You are describing DEMOCRATS again.
Being nominally inferior to the F-16 doesn't make it hopelessly obsolete, and more importantly your point is irrelevant and moot - Russians don't fly the F-16, they fly Russian-quality planes with Russian quality pilots
I never said it was "hopelessly obsolete." I'm pointing out, obliquely, that a nation having what amounts to a polyglot of hand-me-downs from a variety of sources to fight a war with is not a good thing. Sure, it's better than nothing, but it grossly complicates everything you do at the same time.
It's going to take our NATO allies to keep Ukraine in the fight against Russia now that Trump will be president again?!!France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
-Set for delivery in early 2025, the jets will require Ukrainian pilots and crews to undergo extensive training, hindered by language barriers and technical complexity.
The Mirage 2000-5F, with its advanced RDY-3 radar and capability to launch Storm Shadow cruise missiles, offers strong ground-strike and air-to-air combat potential.
Despite these capabilities, the effectiveness of the transfer hinges on successful training and integration into Ukraine’s air force.
-This move underscores France’s commitment to aiding Ukraine’s defense against Russian aggression.
France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.www.19fortyfive.com
Fuck you asshole, you supported the assassination of your president elect so, fuck you!
And their jets have a reverse gear.
Excellent!!! Now let the frogs pick up the entire bill for Zelensky. We are free at last....free at last.....God Almighty, Free at last!France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
-Set for delivery in early 2025, the jets will require Ukrainian pilots and crews to undergo extensive training, hindered by language barriers and technical complexity.
The Mirage 2000-5F, with its advanced RDY-3 radar and capability to launch Storm Shadow cruise missiles, offers strong ground-strike and air-to-air combat potential.
Despite these capabilities, the effectiveness of the transfer hinges on successful training and integration into Ukraine’s air force.
-This move underscores France’s commitment to aiding Ukraine’s defense against Russian aggression.
France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
Okay, so I have cornered you into saying the Mirage 2000-5F is just nominally inferior to another American fourth generation fighter, but it's perfectly capable of competing in the airspace of the Russo-Ukranian war.
It is significantly inferior. It is a decent clear weather interceptor for defense of your air space and has a so-so ground attack capability. Outside of that, it's not very useful. The other problem is since it is completely dissimilar in parts, and requires more maintenance than an F-16, it will add a significant burden to supporting it in use.
just keeps getting biggerFrance Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
-Set for delivery in early 2025, the jets will require Ukrainian pilots and crews to undergo extensive training, hindered by language barriers and technical complexity.
The Mirage 2000-5F, with its advanced RDY-3 radar and capability to launch Storm Shadow cruise missiles, offers strong ground-strike and air-to-air combat potential.
Despite these capabilities, the effectiveness of the transfer hinges on successful training and integration into Ukraine’s air force.
-This move underscores France’s commitment to aiding Ukraine’s defense against Russian aggression.
France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
-Set for delivery in early 2025, the jets will require Ukrainian pilots and crews to undergo extensive training, hindered by language barriers and technical complexity.
The Mirage 2000-5F, with its advanced RDY-3 radar and capability to launch Storm Shadow cruise missiles, offers strong ground-strike and air-to-air combat potential.
Despite these capabilities, the effectiveness of the transfer hinges on successful training and integration into Ukraine’s air force.
-This move underscores France’s commitment to aiding Ukraine’s defense against Russian aggression.
France Is Sending Mirage 2000 Fighters to Battle Russia
France’s donation of Mirage 2000-5F fighter jets to Ukraine is a significant boost for Kyiv’s air capabilities, but it comes with challenges.
