Freedom Of Speech.

That's right. The First Amendment. The rock our government was built upon. Who here believes in it. Nobody? I didn't think so. (And no forum that I ever found allows it) Oh their are people who will practice their universe given right to self deception and say they do. But when it comes right down to it, they don't. But maybe I can change some of your minds with these quotes.

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Yes, yes....but as I always say, the right to freedom of speech does NOT make one immune from the consequences of that speech. This is why we have such laws against slander and inciting to riot.
 
Yes, yes....but as I always say, the right to freedom of speech does NOT make one immune from the consequences of that speech. This is why we have such laws against slander and inciting to riot.

Yeah yeah, whatever. You Social Marxist POS.

I could make you SCREEEE right now.
 
Do you know what the arena of ideas is?

It's an imaginary place where every conversation that ever takes place in America is conducted and every idea is judged.

And these conversations go on 24/7/365, in private and public, and by every person who speaks or writes or conveys images and sounds to another.

And it is in that arena where good ideas and not so good ideas are said and heard and evaluated and is either passed on to be shared with others and so forth until the best ideas become popular enough to be chosen for implementation where it is appropriate, or the bad ideas are left to die of disinterest or lack of merit.

The 1st Amendment is what enables the arena of ideas to function.

We must be free to say what's on our minds so that we can always have well vetted ideas which have survived the process in the arena. And so our leaders and the nation is always in the process of improving and choosing the best courses through history.

The Left has short circuited the arena of ideas.

Bad ideas are making their way to becoming bad policies, because of the Left.

And good ideas, also thanks to Leftists, are being sniped at and wounded before they can negate the bad ideas.

And America is making bad choices because bad ideas are surviving the process which free speech is counted on to remove from consideration.

To me, that is the most important reason for free speech.
 
Do you know what the arena of ideas is?

It's an imaginary place where every conversation that ever takes place in America is conducted and every idea is judged.

And these conversations go on 24/7/365, in private and public, and by every person who speaks or writes or conveys images and sounds to another.

And it is in that arena where good ideas and not so good ideas are said and heard and evaluated and is either passed on to be shared with others and so forth until the best ideas become popular enough to be chosen for implementation where it is appropriate, or the bad ideas are left to die of disinterest or lack of merit.

The 1st Amendment is what enables the arena of ideas to function.

We must be free to say what's on our minds so that we can always have well vetted ideas which have survived the process in the arena. And so our leaders and the nation is always in the process of improving and choosing the best courses through history.

The Left has short circuited the arena of ideas.

Bad ideas are making their way to becoming bad policies, because of the Left.

And good ideas, also thanks to Leftists, are being sniped at and wounded before they can negate the bad ideas.

And America is making bad choices because bad ideas are surviving the process which free speech is counted on to remove from consideration.

To me, that is the most important reason for free speech.

So ... you're saying the 'Left' is responsible for the QAnon Folks?
 
So ... you're saying the 'Left' is responsible for the QAnon Folks?

Yes.

There was no need for a Qanon until Leftists began hijacking America one bit at a time and then all over America, everywhere we looked, Leftist ideology was taking advantage of our innocence and ignorance.

Qanon only came about in reaction to the Leftist advances to steal our country.

When you look at any timeline you will see cause and effect, cause and effect, cause and effect.

And when you look at the 1990's when Hillary came to Washington, she was part of (if not responsible for) the Progressives/Leftists hijacking the DNC and then others who were also independently acting to advance Leftist ideals (Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and etc.) did their things and the effect of it all was to cause a Right Wing awakening to stop Communism and other 'isms.

The reason Qanon exists is because of Hillary & Bill, and Bill & Barack et al.
 
We need to be very clear about one thing folks: There are a whole lot of people, maybe a majority, who either dont want freedom ( I need to be safe) or they are not willing to lift a finger to stay out of the shackles their betters have designed for them.

We are so fucked.
 
We need to be very clear about one thing folks: There are a whole lot of people, maybe a majority, who either dont want freedom ( I need to be safe) or they are not willing to lift a finger to stay out of the shackles their betters have designed for them.

We are so fucked.

The more you decry our situation, the less likely we are to turn things around.

What is your suggestion?
 
All of my heros would tell you the same thing, in fact often do...Bret and Heather, Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Thomas Moore...people like that.
 
Yes.

There was no need for a Qanon until Leftists began hijacking America one bit at a time and then all over America, everywhere we looked, Leftist ideology was taking advantage of our innocence and ignorance.

Qanon only came about in reaction to the Leftist advances to steal our country.

When you look at any timeline you will see cause and effect, cause and effect, cause and effect.

And when you look at the 1990's when Hillary came to Washington, she was part of (if not responsible for) the Progressives/Leftists hijacking the DNC and then others who were also independently acting to advance Leftist ideals (Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and etc.) did their things and the effect of it all was to cause a Right Wing awakening to stop Communism and other 'isms.

The reason Qanon exists is because of Hillary & Bill, and Bill & Barack et al.

'Communism' doesn't exist anymore. Global Capitalism is the economic system that the world has embraced. You can buy Chinese and Russian Companies on the Stock Market Exchanges.
As the dust begins to settle on this, the remaining question is 'State Subsidies'. Tariffs, Quotas, and Subsidies all distort a 'Free Market'.

Your Boogeyman of 'Communism' is just a reaction to a changing 'Culture' in America. Try to actually enunciate what you think is a Problem.
 
'Communism' doesn't exist anymore. Global Capitalism is the economic system that the world has embraced. You can buy Chinese and Russian Companies on the Stock Market Exchanges.
As the dust begins to settle on this, the remaining question is 'State Subsidies'. Tariffs, Quotas, and Subsidies all distort a 'Free Market'.

Your Boogeyman of 'Communism' is just a reaction to a changing 'Culture' in America. Try to actually enunciate what you think is a Problem.

What's truly pathetic is the convoluted "logic" used to explain QAnon and the willfully ignorant yahoos that follow it. One would have to be totally devoid of recent history and critical thinking skills to buy into Drummie's drivel. One of the reasons why I have him and his compadres on IA for periods of time....their BS just becomes too absurd to read after awhile.
 
'Communism' doesn't exist anymore. Global Capitalism is the economic system that the world has embraced. You can buy Chinese and Russian Companies on the Stock Market Exchanges.
As the dust begins to settle on this, the remaining question is 'State Subsidies'. Tariffs, Quotas, and Subsidies all distort a 'Free Market'.

Your Boogeyman of 'Communism' is just a reaction to a changing 'Culture' in America. Try to actually enunciate what you think is a Problem.

America is disappearing.

Imagine having a prized Arabian stallion whose lineage, through careful control of his predecessor's breeding and following healthy practices, allows him to be the finest Arabian stallion on earth.

But, because Leftists want their own Arabian stallion to be the best on earth, they take steps to downgrade your horse's diet and training protocols without you getting wise to it.

Then, once you wake up to how the Leftists are tricking you and screwing you and making your prized Arabian stallion just an old fat, out of shape and unhealthy equine, you take steps to turn things around. But when you do, the Leftists charge you with with being cruel to animals and your efforts to save your horse are stalled.

You would welcome someone who could come along and stop this unhealthy situation.

America is the greatest nation in the history of man.

Greatest at almost everything good at one time or another.

Leftists want America to suffer, to be destroyed and/or to become subjects of their Leftist ideology.

There is no ONE boogeyman. There are many boogeymen ideologies all independently and in some cases cooperatively working, for their own advancement, to
hurt, defeat and capture or destroy US and one or some of them have entered America and succeeded in programming roughly half our population to become Zombies of America's enemy Leftist boogeymen, and the Zombies (Liberals) are excited and dedicated to helping the Leftists degrade our prized country and are too far gone to realize what an awful thing they are doing to the greatest, most noble and wise and generous nation ever.

And then, to seal our doom, referring back to the equine example, the Leftists would use the semen of your prized Arabian stallion to impregnate average (or poorer in health and performance or appearance) horses, so that there would be no possibility of saving what was great about the prized Arabian stallion.

He would be the last of what was once great.

And it happened while we were all watching.

America's kids are being made into Zombies and they will allow America to be made into a bad place to live because they have been programmed and misinformed, under-informed and been programmed to not be curious or act in their own informed self-interest. And after maybe one more generation like this, the greatness of America would be forever dead.

And that is part of what you should understand about his post.
 
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What's truly pathetic is the convoluted "logic" used to explain QAnon and the willfully ignorant yahoos that follow it. One would have to be totally devoid of recent history and critical thinking skills to buy into Drummie's drivel. One of the reasons why I have him and his compadres on IA for periods of time....their BS just becomes too absurd to read after awhile.

A very interesting comment. While I admit that as of this moment I do not know what "IA" is ... I can only assume that the "I" implies ignore. But the perplexing thing to me is if " BS just becomes too absurd to read after awhile" ... then what makes it such that after a "period of time" that the posts can be perused again ??? It makes me wonder if deep down inside you miss "their BS" and come back for yet another round.

I too grow weary of some of the mindless posters here at JPP ... but I NEVER put them on any type of ignore. Most of them are so predictable on what they will say (although the precise expletive/vulgarity changes) you know by seeing the SN just exactly what's coming. The problem comes when they actually say something that makes sense ... which unfortunately does not recur very often.
 
What's truly pathetic is the convoluted "logic" used to explain QAnon and the willfully ignorant yahoos that follow it. One would have to be totally devoid of recent history and critical thinking skills to buy into Drummie's drivel. One of the reasons why I have him and his compadres on IA for periods of time....their BS just becomes too absurd to read after awhile.

Are you a sheeple or a wolf in sheep's clothing?

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What's truly pathetic is the convoluted "logic" used to explain QAnon and the willfully ignorant yahoos that follow it. One would have to be totally devoid of recent history and critical thinking skills to buy into Drummie's drivel. One of the reasons why I have him and his compadres on IA for periods of time....their BS just becomes too absurd to read after awhile.

Well, part of the reason to come here, is the Humor. :)
 
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