Freedom

[Diuretic]

You have no point.

Your chains of reasoning are non-sequitur. For example, because freedom is most usefully and usually discussed relatively, on a sliding scale, to you that means "truth is relative". You're an idiot.

I didn't say any of that. For me "freedom" isn't relative. I also believe that "truth" as in "objective truth" isn't an absolute, but it should be regarded as a tentative "truth" but not unassailable. Any "truth" can be overturned with evidence.

Don't misrepresent me. It's demeaning.

 

[uscitizen]

It's called perspective. I care about actual subjugation and control. You're pissed about insurance.

HUH, pissed about insurance ????

 

[Lao Tse]

HUH, pissed about insurance ????

huh? what?

 

[Lao Tse]

I didn't say any of that. For me "freedom" isn't relative. I also believe that "truth" as in "objective truth" isn't an absolute, but it should be regarded as a tentative "truth" but not unassailable. Any "truth" can be overturned with evidence.

Don't misrepresent me. It's demeaning.

Consider it a tentative truth that you're an imbecile then.

 

[Diuretic]

Consider it a tentative truth that you're an imbecile then.

Okay, considered.

Rejected

 

[Lao Tse]

Okay, considered.

Rejected

Most readers have decided otherwise, at this point, most assuredly.

 

[Diuretic]

Most readers have decided otherwise, at this point, most assuredly.

A judge in is own cause is bound to find for himself.

 

[Lao Tse]

A judge in is own cause is bound to find for himself.

So that explains your irrational belief that you have done well in this argument, I suppose.

 

[Diuretic]

So that explains your irrational belief that you have done well in this argument, I suppose.

How do you know that's my belief, irrational or otherwise? I don't see this as some sort of competition, just a discussion. But since you have to resort to petty name-calling I suppose that means the conversation is concluded, unless you've got something to offer other than name-calling that is. I like to get something out of a discussion which informs me, it's not a battle to me.

 

[uscitizen]

Hmm Interesting thought there Diuretic, discussion vs battle. I think I hve developed a battle mentality on political boards. When I first started on them was just before 2000 and I was anti bush and anti Iraq invasion, so I took a beating and developed a bit of a residual attitude I suppose for political boards.... Hmm have to think about that a bit.

Butt in any case I was right (correct) on both counts

 

[Diuretic]

Hmm Interesting thought there Diuretic, discussion vs battle. I think I hve developed a battle mentality on political boards. When I first started on them was just before 2000 and I was anti bush and anti Iraq invasion, so I took a beating and developed a bit of a residual attitude I suppose for political boards.... Hmm have to think about that a bit.

Butt in any case I was right (correct) on both counts

Yep, I share the same experiences usc. I don't mind a good blue but when it gets down to calling someone a moron it loses its shine for me.

 

[Annie]

If I read you two right, you've decided you are right, regardless of facts or incidents, now or in the future. Damn, I wish I was cool like you two.

 

[Diuretic]

If I read you two right, you've decided you are right, regardless of facts or incidents, now or in the future. Damn, I wish I was cool like you two.

If you're referring to me, no, you're wrong. No, you can't be cool like me either.

 

[Annie]

If you're referring to me, no, you're wrong. No, you can't be cool like me either.

Now that is cleared up, life is so much simpler. Thanks, you are a genius.

 

[Diuretic]

Now that is cleared up, life is so much simpler. Thanks, you are a genius.

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate

 

[Annie]

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate

Hey, I wouldn't try to compete with you. You are more than a million times smarter than poor little me. I acquiesce.

 

[Diuretic]

Hey, I wouldn't try to compete with you. You are more than a million times smarter than poor little me. I acquiesce.

There's a word for that but I can't think of it right now.

It'll come to me later, I'm sure.

 

[AnyOldIron]

To understand freedom, read up on Isaiah Berlin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Berlin

 

[Lao Tse]

How do you know that's my belief, irrational or otherwise? I don't see this as some sort of competition, just a discussion. But since you have to resort to petty name-calling I suppose that means the conversation is concluded, unless you've got something to offer other than name-calling that is. I like to get something out of a discussion which informs me, it's not a battle to me.

The discussion was alive and well AMIDST the name calling. BOTH THINGS WERE HAPPENING. You never made a compellling case that freedom is an illusion; you merely made silly arguments that "since you can't go to cuba, freedom is an illusion". You couldn't bring yourself to even admit the rational conclusion here "freedom is rarely complete".

So you can bitch and cry about how Im so mean, but the truth is there was an actual discussion, and you said silly things.

 

[AnyOldIron]

"freedom is rarely complete".

Complete freedom is a return to our pre-civilised days, where might equates to right and any person can do as they wish provided they are physically capable.

You don't want that. The endless dream of absolute freedom that pervades the US national psyche is a bit like a dog chasing its tail.